BanglaCricket XI - Opening Batsmen

[kofeenine]

I don't like the concept of playing two lefties at the very beginning. It should be a combination of both: a left hander and a right hander. And this applies for all 3 formats. You give the opponent's bowler less chance to settle with the bowling line and length. So, I would prefer Tamim and Anamul or Tamim and Jahurul.

I still don't get why Imrul is so important for a lot of us. He is nothing but a 'khocha' master in all formats of cricket. He is also utterly confused with his role as an opening partner of Tamim. The underlying reason for the success of Imrul/Tamim pair is only Tamim. If Tamim continues his slow start (like Asia Cup) in future, that pair is going down to drain for sure. Imrul usually waste so many balls just to give strike to Tamim - who is usually in a mood to thrash the opponent. I personally believe, imrul is not a national team material and well suited for 'A' team.

[Roey Haque]

Originally Posted by kofeenine
I don't like the concept of playing two lefties at the very beginning. It should be a combination of both: a left hander and a right hander. And this applies for all 3 formats. You give the opponent's bowler less chance to settle with the bowling line and length. So, I would prefer Tamim and Anamul or Tamim and Jahurul.

I still don't get why Imrul is so important for a lot of us. He is nothing but a 'khocha' master in all formats of cricket. He is also utterly confused with his role as an opening partner of Tamim. The underlying reason for the success of Imrul/Tamim pair is only Tamim. If Tamim continues his slow start (like Asia Cup) in future, that pair is going down to drain for sure. Imrul usually waste so many balls just to give strike to Tamim - who is usually in a mood to thrash the opponent. I personally believe, imrul is not a national team material and well suited for 'A' team.

Of course, I feel your train of thought here. In an ideal world where Bd is a top dog, Imrul would be brushed off without any thought given to it. I would like nothing better than an Anamul or Jaharul opening partnership with Tamim to work out. But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another. And that means so much for a team like Bd, to move away from those Al Sharier-Mehrab Hossain days, where it would be competition amongst our batsmen who could get out the fastest, sort of like a ballet of falling wickets.

I think you are dreaming high, which is fantastic. But I'm more cautious on these things. With Imrul I believe our team's chances of crossing the 200 mark increases, giving our bowlers something to work with. Oh, and he's a great slip fielder too. Sure I believe Anamul deserves a crack, but until that time, let's slug it out with Imrul. Who knows, you could be pleasantly surprised.

[kofeenine]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
Of course, I feel your train of thought here. In an ideal world where Bd is a top dog, Imrul would be brushed off without any thought given to it. I would like nothing better than an Anamul or Jaharul opening partnership with Tamim to work out. But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another. And that means so much for a team like Bd, to move away from those Al Sharier-Mehrab Hossain days, where it would be competition amongst our batsmen who could get out the fastest, sort of like a ballet of falling wickets.

I think you are dreaming high, which is fantastic. But I'm more cautious on these things. With Imrul I believe our team's chances of crossing the 200 mark increases, giving our bowlers something to work with. Oh, and he's a great slip fielder too. Sure I believe Anamul deserves a crack, but until that time, let's slug it out with Imrul. Who knows, you could be pleasantly surprised.

Without even giving proper chances to Anamul and Jahurul you're drawing conclusions!

[Maysun]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
Jaharul and Dhiman are better. Mushfiq took ages to be where he is right now, and right now he's decent, not even good. Just stick with Jaharul and Ghosh and they will give you a quicker return on runs than Mushfiq did. Jaharul especially.

I'd tend to think otherwise, Hail Mushy

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Equinox
Tamim/Anamul - Tests

Tamim/Imrul - ODIs

Tamim/Zunaed - T20s

But long-term Tamim/Anamul for all three.

In my opinion i dont think we need Anamul to be in t20's. We should have a specific team for t20's. I would stick with Tamim and Junaed for t20's and Tamim and Anamul for odi's and tests.

But ive always loved Imrul. Hes a classy player and has all the shots when he is going well.

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[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
That's what I think too...

So I voted for 4; Tamim permanent and then pick IK/JS/NU depending on form, opponent and pitch etc...

BRO I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED TO VOTE TWICE ONLY. IT RUINS THE BALANCE OF THE VOTING IF YOU HAVE VOTED 4 TIMES.

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[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by mar umpire
Agreed

No Nazim-uddin
technique is horrible
16 off 52-where we lost the asia cup(discounting shahadat)

BRO WHY DID YOU VOTE 5 TIMES WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID TO ONLY VOTE TWICE? It ruins the fun for everyone. We wont have an honest opinion for which 2 batsmen should open the batting for Bangladesh.

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[Tiger444]

I picked Tamim and Anamul. The guys that we've tried as the 2nd opener since Tamim debuted has been SN, JO, Junaid, Nazim, and Imrul. All guys have been tried and failed. Now my question is do you go back to what hasn't worked already or take a risk and try somebody who is supposedly a big time talent? Tamim has had to go through so many different opening partners. It's time we get a guy who can be a long term solution so that Tamim can finally settle down with a player who can match his skills. All the other guys just have not been at Tamim's level at all and I believe that's 1 of the reasons why he hasn't prospered as much as he should've. Too much pressure has been built on him to carry the whole top order. It also hasn't helped that we haven't had a steady #3 and #4. That's just way too many holes and it's time we start plugging them in so that Tamim can start to get some proper support up at the top.

I believe that Imrul was an alright player but to me, the guy is nothing but a stop gap solution. He's gotten many chances now in all formats of the game and he's just far too streaky to be an opener at the international level. Basically, the best he can give you is a 100 ball 60. Many of the times when he doesn't click, he ends up scoring 30 ball 10's or 40 ball 20's or in 1 case, he ended scoring a 41 ball 5. Not saying that's bad but should we really just settle on a player like that? Some people will I'm sure because they want to be on the safe side, but if we want to become a top class side, then we need to be ambitious and try to build a team full of world class players rather then just settling on average players.

I believe Anamul has done well enough to be tried out as opener. He did pretty well in the BPL. Also he was 1 of the highest scorers in the DPL and unlike Imrul, he actually converted his 50's in to 100's and now in the NCL he was the highest scorers. Something to point out was also the way Anamul and Imrul batted recently in the NCL. Imrul could've easily scored a century from what position he was in but ended up throwing it away. Anamul on the other hand continued to build and even though he ended up missing out on a double century, he ended up with a very big score. So Anamul really showed the superior temperament and really showed that he can convert his big scores which Imrul I'm afraid hasn't been able to show.

So those are the reasons as to why I want Anamul in to open with Tamim.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by BengaliPagol
BRO WHY DID YOU VOTE 5 TIMES WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID TO ONLY VOTE TWICE? It ruins the fun for everyone. We wont have an honest opinion for which 2 batsmen should open the batting for Bangladesh.

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For final results, you could discard those who have voted for more than two batsmen, then tally up the rest and post here.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
For final results, you could discard those who have voted for more than two batsmen, then tally up the rest and post here.

Good idea. Thanks for the advice.

I will also change Oronnya's vote from Anamul Haque to Imrul Kayes.

So the final tally will happen after this poll is closed. It will be interesting to see the whole team after all the voting is done. It will be a true Fans XI.

[Joamiq]

I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
But the fact of matter is, currently Imrul has been a pretty dependable run getter for us. In any two given ODIS, he might flop in one, but will get a steady 40 in another.

Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Joamiq
I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.



Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

This is for the ODI team not tests. You cant compare someones test statistics and decide if he is a good ODI batsmen or not.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Joamiq
I voted for Nazim as my partner for Tamim. I think he has the right temperament and approach, and he's still settling in, so I forgive him for his mostly uninspiring performances recently. I think he deserves to remain an opener for now. If he fails to perform after several more outings, then it's time to give Anamul his shot.



Where are these runs you speak of? He hasn't gotten a half century in over a year. His test average is 17.15. Pathetic. He needs to be dropped like a stone.

i really think nazimuddin should have been kept as a specialist test opener, he's been given chances earlier in his career in the shorter formats and not done so well, domestically he hasn't really done too well in the shorter formats and this latest run he has had in the one-day team basically means he should be dropped. had he been kept as just a test opener he'd still have his spot right now.

[Zeeshan]

Agree with Atimar da: By mistake didn't vote Payesh. Still resonating in my mind the great all-guns opening vs. India in World Cup 2011. These idiots don't concentrate hard when the target is not that high...only when they feel pressure they are forced to put on a big show. Or else rather lackadaisical.

I say even if the target is 230....why not set a good precedence by finishing it off in 20 odd overs instead of dhir shushte kudu kudu pudu pudu tokka tokki

[Sohel]

Based on the type of basic ability necessary to sustain success at the highest level (as opposed to our crappola domestic circuit): Tamim and Bijauy for all formats. Pipeline: Fazle Rabbi and Shoummo if they can get and sustain success at this level.

I wouldn't even consider the others at this point. The way they hold their bats, shut their eyes and crumble under pressure, the streaky and inevitably unsustainable runs notwithstanding, is humiliating for the whole nation. They are weak links in the chain and would cost us matches. We have young guys with better ability and they should be brought in ASAP. Conventional cricketing wisdom doesn't apply to us. A nation of lazy cricketers who get worse with age years before even beginning to hit their theoretical peaks (27-35). Decontextualized, statistical geekfesting without the benefit of actually seeing someone play doesn't help either.

[Awla]

Tamim & Imrul for the moment at test & ODI.. Tamim & Junaid for T20....
Anamul at no. 3 for first few years..if he surpasses our expectation then in long term open him with Tamim

[Gowza]

asif is a great #3 prospect to though, i think we need to work out which one of them should open and which should bat at #3 and groom them for those positions. i think anamul could be a great #3 but i think he'll do better as an opener than asif will, although they've both batted in both spots....

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Based on the type of basic ability necessary to sustain success at the highest level (as opposed to our crappola domestic circuit): Tamim and Bijauy for all formats. Pipeline: Fazle Rabbi and Shoummo if they can get and sustain success at this level.

I wouldn't even consider the others at this point. The way they hold their bats, shut their eyes and crumble under pressure, the streaky and inevitably unsustainable runs notwithstanding, is humiliating for the whole nation. They are weak links in the chain and would cost us matches. We have young guys with better ability and they should be brought in ASAP. Conventional cricketing wisdom doesn't apply to us. A nation of lazy cricketers who get worse with age years before even beginning to hit their theoretical peaks (27-35). Decontextualized, statistical geekfesting without the benefit of actually seeing someone play doesn't help either.

Sohel bhai, I see that your a really big fan of Fazle Mahmud. I haven't heard much about him for a while. I just want to know why you think he's a good prospect. I was looking forward to seeing him in the BPL but unfortunately he didn't even get picked. Also whose Shoummo? Is that Soumya Sarkar?

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[BengaliPagol]

Only 41 voters on this poll? Cmon guys lets crank it up to 100 or 200 if possible. The more people voting the better. This poll finishes on Saturday.

[Naimul_Hd]

For Test & ODI- Tamim & Imrul

For T20- Tamim & Anamul

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
For Test & ODI- Tamim & Imrul

For T20- Tamim & Anamul

Imrul is horrible in tests. But i love him in ODI's.

Test - Tamim & Nazim/Anamul
ODI - Tamim & Kayes
t20 - Tamim & Junaed

I would even consider Ashraful opening the batting with Tamim in t20's.

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by BengaliPagol
Imrul is horrible in tests. But i love him in ODI's. Test - Tamim & Nazim/AnamulODI - Tamim & Kayest20 - Tamim & Junaed I would even consider Ashraful opening the batting with Tamim in t20's.

Imrul may have horrible stats in Test but he compliments well Tamim. At least, Imrul has better technique and foot work than Nazim. Nazim's technique is horrendous.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
Imrul may have horrible stats in Test but he compliments well Tamim. At least, Imrul has better technique and foot work than Nazim. Nazim's technique is horrendous.

Nazim's technique is horrible. Kayes moves his front foot.

Nazim has the correct temperament for tests. Kayes doesn't.

Thats what makes Nazim more successful in tests than Kayes.

[Sohel]

^^^With all due respect, a grand sample size of 4 test innings (31, 78, 0 and 12) on a dead track doesn't demonstrate "correct temperament" or "greater success" for tests in my book.

He has two modes: swing blind and block everything. Test batting is harder because there's no fielding restriction, and "batting slowly" by not rotating the strike/blocking full-tosses and half-volleys/ and getting bogged down in the process will get you out more often than you care to imagine. Neither Mohammad "Exquisite Timing" Kohlimuddin nor Imrul KaEdge belong in international cricket. Junaid Siddique or Jahirul Islam, guys who can't rectify basic flaws in 5-6 years I've seen them, don't either. Streaks and flukes are unsustainable, and we have better players with ability in the pipeline. They deserve a shot.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Sohel bhai, I see that your a really big fan of Fazle Mahmud. I haven't heard much about him for a while. I just want to know why you think he's a good prospect. I was looking forward to seeing him in the BPL but unfortunately he didn't even get picked. Also whose Shoummo? Is that Soumya Sarkar?

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He reminds me of pre-Salahuddin Tamim Iqbal of the 2007 World Cup: aggression coupled with amazing hand-eye coordination. He, alongside Bijauy, Shoummo and Rumman has the ability to sight the ball early and take it to the opposition, though both Bijauy and Shoummo have better temperament and can switch gears with greater ease.

Unfortunately, dead domestic tracks and pathetic domestic bowlers who depend on batting error rather than quality delivery for wickets, create bad habits such as lazy to no footwork, disinterest in rotating the strike, premature commitment of the front foot, using a heavy bottom hand, and premeditated swings. Fazle Rabbi is no exception but I feel he is simply too good a player not to learn. Then again, there's always the possibility he won't hack it at the highest level the way Opi, Rokon, Hannan, Nafis Iqbal, KaEdge, Siddique and Aumi failed deliver at the top of the order.

BPL selection has more to do with whom you know and listen to than actual ability.

I try to write Bangla the way it sounds and avoid nonsensical Anglicization. I also stay away from the "vai" and "voot" khyatfest. Hence "Shoummo", "Bijauy", "Shubhagauto" etc