There is no point in stacking up batsmen in a long batting order

[al-Sagar]

so here is the winning combination from the IRELAND series which our BD management thinks is capable of keep winning against pakistan.

tamim
nafees
aftab
ashraful
shakib
rakib
dhiman
reza
riad
razzak
mashrafe

well we have a long batting tail whuch potentiall are no mug with a bat down to 11. but whats the point ??? in the end out top 4 average 30+ middle 4 score 25+ bottom 4 average 15+.

once ODI was played with 5 batsmen, 5 bowlers 1 WK. day by day WK's became good batsman and bowlwers start to become all rounders.

for a developing team like use we should play 5 genuine batsmen 1 Wk 4 genuine bowler 1 allrounder. it will be good if the Wk and 1-2 of the bowlers help the battng.

but we should depend more on our TOP 5-6 to do the bulk of scorng. i think playing with long tall orders makes the top order irresponsible as they think we have a tall order to carry on the innings.

so lets not disarray the balance with playing too many multiskilled players. let the bowlers do the bowling , batsman do the batting.

[tonoy]

we should have 11 batsmen on the next game. O\__/O

[Mahmood]

Our selector lack basic cricket knowledge. We need to play ODI with 4 specialist bowlers and 2 all rounders. No matter what the pith is, at least 2 seamer's must play.

[Nafi]

Only seamers did good on this pitch.

[Raynman]

Mahmudullah, Aftab and Ash conceded 106 runs in 10 overs. Those should have been Rasel's. If our top order fails, I don't see what good that extra batsman at 7 is going to do. I would understand if it was a Mike Hussey or somthing but this is poor selection.

[napoleonIV]

Originally Posted by Raynman
If our top order fails, I don't see what good that extra batsman at 7 is going to do.

I agree wholeheartedly. If the top 5 (our so called specialst batsmen) can't do the job (with an average below 30 and going down everyday, I can't actually imagine them doing the job anyway !), there is no point in "strengthening" (!) the lineup with 3/4 more all-rounders.

[Sovik]

we are still a decent batsman short. who could win it for us

[auntu]

never seen this so called long batting line worked for us

ei shob pagol chagol selectorder ki hobe

abar matal ta gese PAk e.

[al-Sagar]

Kee je hobe

[Tigers_eye]

The main issue is top order. Aftab and Ash are the main culprits. They are not consistant enough, not producing enough and thus the teams is losing.

So Aftab and Ash fans need to stop praising them as star players (to some superstar players) and wait for their eid days. Idotic players, bullsh*t selectors. They should be penalized double for being the senior players in the team along with the rest of the jokers. BCB needs to keep their promise and fine them after this series. They are experience enough to get fined.

Had these two producing some quality runs we would not need to have that many (so called) alrounders. The alrounders in the team to camo their failures. Cricket is still a game of taking wickets and putting pressure on the opponents. Without good bowlers we won't win anything. The part-timers are not a solutions. I will be freely bashing them from here on. I have hold of enough.

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
The main issue is top order. Aftab and Ash are the main culprits. They are not consistant enough, not producing enough and thus the teams is losing.

So Aftab and Ash fans need to stop praising them as star players (to some superstar players) and wait for their eid days. Idotic players, bullsh*t selectors. They should be penalized double for being the senior players in the team along with the rest of the jokers. BCB needs to keep their promise and fine them after this series. They are experience enough to get fined.

Thats not true T_E. Ash and Aftab consistently failing to score runs. They consistently throwing away their wickets. They consistently showing their irresponsibility. Despite all of their consistent act, you are accusing them for not being consistent. Too bad!

As for BCB, you can ask someone in your organization to be accountable only if you are accountable. The term 'accountability' is not in the dictionary of Bengalis. You can find it in the BC even.

[Rabz]

There is NO point of pointing out another problem within the team.
The pyramid simply builds on, without any solutions.

[irteja]

There is NO point of pointing out another problem within the team.
The pyramid simply builds on, without any solutions.

[BANFAN]

Just like, a football team with 11 strikers may not be able to score actually any goal, because they will be busy, digesting goals by the opponents only and ultimately not know what to do.

Getting the team imbalanced only...

[Raynman]

This is really frustrating. Team selection should be something that is natural is should not call for this much debate.

Captain: Pick the person that commands the most respect of the rest of the team and will be able to get the players to give their best. NOT based on this would make them more responsible theory. Its like parents thinking marriage is the magic cure when the child has gone awry.

Openers: Pick the batsmen that can see the new ball through while keeping up the run rate. In Tests, seeing the new ball through and being able to bat with patience.

Batsmen: Define the role. Make sure you have a balance of steady accumulators and sloggers.

Wicket Keeper: Pick the BEST KEEPER. Someone who will not miss catches, stumpings and give too many byes and leg byes behind the wicket. If they can bat, thats a bonus. If you have equal talents, go with the better batsman. If the keeper can't score more than the runs he gives up with his keeping, it doesn't make sense to pick someone for their batting ability.

Bowlers: You have to have 2 striket bowlers and 2 bowlers that can contain. In ODI make sure you have five bowlers to bowl 10 overs each and one or two of the batsman that you can go to for a few overs if needed.

DO NOT pick a batting heavy side that is capable of getting 250 when your bowling will suffer and surely give away 300+. If you don't have enough faith in the top order that you feel back up is needed, why did you pick that top order to begin with. If the guys at 1 through 6 are the best guys we have then lets suck it up and let them play. If they fail, we just need to realize that is where we stand vs. the rest of the countries.

In mathematics, there is a rule that says it takes at least four occurences before you can establish a pattern. Give the players that magic number and stick with that as a plan. Let the boys know they get 10 matches and if they perform poorly in most of the games, they need to make room for the next in line. This way the pressure is lifted off from having one bad performance and no one feels their spot is safe after one good performance.

Most importantly, stick to it as a team. No calling someone out for not sticking to game plan. Handle that behind close doors. Win as a team and lose as a team.

As a fan it would be better to know that we put the best team out there and lost just because we are not good enough rather than having to sound like a broken record saying "we're really better than this."

[akabir77]

RAYnMAN Bro durdanto 5th post...

[FagunerAgun]

What is the difference between six (retard batsmen) zeroes and nine zeroes?

[BANFAN]

Let the boys know they get 10 matches and if they perform poorly in most of the games, they need to make room for the next in line.

Very good. But what do you do if none can achieve it in 8 years and after trying about 150 players?

:-)

We can't just give up, thinking that's our max ability. Professional assistance should improve the situation, question also is, are we failing to hire the right kind of professionals? Improvement does not happen over night, if these are the right kind of professionals we have hired, what can be the explanation for moving behind?

[Baundule]

Raynman said it all.

[bdchamp20]

too bad irteja bhai, according to cricinfo there is only one change in the team: Nazimuddin for Mahmudullah, next series we will have all the bowlers replaced with batsman

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Raynman
Captain: Pick the person that commands the most respect of the rest of the team and will be able to get the players to give their best.

I would love to give Ashraful the benefit of doubt and hope that he'll come good, but the poor guy seems to be making all the wrong moves recently (mostly off the field).

[Nafi]

I betted with my bro that Ash will make a single digit score over a pack of orios,

Haram tu zani, but not as haram as the pagla shots Ashraful plays.

An eye for an eye...no

[crikfreak]

we tried playing with 7 8 batsman.. din't work.. bowlers made more runs than our so called batsman.. so why not play with all the bowlers in the squad with a few batsman??

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by Raynman

As a fan it would be better to know that we put the best team out there and lost just because we are not good enough rather than having to sound like a broken record saying "we're really better than this."

Ditto