The best allrounders of all time

[zinatf]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?

isshire Zulfiqar bhai.....apnare to dekhtesi "BC torkobid" upadhi deya uchit....apnare to agei bollam je ajker dinta ektu chup mere jaan.....dekhteseni to mon mejaj kharap.....shob din ki ar ekshoman thake?

[zsayeed]

accha thik achey...

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?

And why am I bound to like that?? or why do I have to explain my personal preference??

Nothing wrong with his batting style.. As I said I can`t deny the fact that he is one of the greats.. But my favorite test batsmen are Amla, Dravid, Sanga, AB Villers

I just don`t like Kallis that`s it.

[zsayeed]

Part two: Jacques Kallis talks about his school days, the South African style of batting, and his future plans (05:30)
Speaks of
- All Rounders today
- Batting Style




Sobers' overall second-innings average of 55.15 is the second-highest among batsmen with 2500 runs; only Jacques Kallis of South Africa has done better.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/491636.html

[zsayeed]

Bishen Bedi on Sir Garfield Sobers
"[Sobers] Was God's own contribution to world cricket"
"God must have made in His very, very, spare time."

[zsayeed]

Originally Posted by zinatf
^Zulfiqar bhai please! Emneteo mejaj 49 hoye ase Shakib-ke na deikha...er opor diye Kallis-er video diyen na to.......grrr!!!

Originally Posted by zinatf
Apnar bola hoise?

Originally Posted by zinatf
Bujhar ki na ase? Jeikhane player discrimination hoi emon tournament (oitare care-i ba ke kore?) er ****** kilai! Ashuk t20! Babu shonara....shob gulare dekhabo moja!

Ar Insha Allah....Shakib career shesh-e aro 10/15 bochore deikhen era koi jai Insha Allah.....

Originally Posted by oronnya
It`s not about IPL but I just don`t like Kallis .. I find him a selfish player.. don`t like his batting style and bowling is nothing extra ordinary.. Of course I can`t deny the fact that he is a great all rounder of all time.. But to me Imran, Botham, Kapil and even Vettori will have the edge over Kallis .. And of course I would take Shakib any day over Kallis ..

Originally Posted by zinatf
isshire Zulfiqar bhai.....apnare to dekhtesi "BC torkobid" upadhi deya uchit....apnare to agei bollam je ajker dinta ektu chup mere jaan.....dekhteseni to mon mejaj kharap.....shob din ki ar ekshoman thake?

The thread was about all-rounder of all time...
Seems like I walked into a hornet's nest here?
What happened to the thread? It was about all time all-rounder and emotions are out of control from two women about events of today in IPL.

So make up your mind, all-time all-rounder or Kolkata match?
And don't take your wrath out on me, I am not your whipping boy!

One day does not count as all-time!

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
The thread was about all-rounder of all time...
Seems like I walked into a hornet's nest here?
What happened to the thread? It was about all time all-rounder and emotions are out of control from two women about events of today in IPL.

So make up your mind, all-time all-rounder or Kolkata match?
And don't take your wrath out on me, I am not your whipping boy!

One day does not count as all-time!

Ok, let me make one thing clear.. I have already posted my fav allrounder of all time which has nothing to do with IPL (post #14) .. Then the discussion shifted to Kallis and I just gave my personal opinion that I don``t like Kallis though he is one of the greatest all rounders of all time (post #24).. In none of my post I said anything about IPL.. Why would I judge someone based on IPL when I`ve been following their cricket for so long? ? ? I was very much on topic I believe ..

Who took the wrath on you? ? you asked me why don`t I like Kallis`s batting? ? I said that`s my personal preference.. you shouldn`t have asked me to explain my personal preference.. Why is it necessary to like each and every player of the world? ? Why do you have to judge people`s choice? ? Everyone has their own point of view.. shouldn`t we just respect each other`s opinion? ?

[zsayeed]

Originally Posted by oronnya
Ok, let me make one thing clear.. I have already posted my fav allrounder of all time which has nothing to do with IPL (post #14) .. Then the discussion shifted to Kallis and I just gave my personal opinion that I don``t like Kallis though he is one of the greatest all rounders of all time (post #24).. In none of my post I said anything about IPL.. Why would I judge someone based on IPL when I`ve been following their cricket for so long? ? ? I was very much on topic I believe ..

Who took the wrath on you? ? you asked me why don`t I like Kallis`s batting? ? I said that`s my personal preference.. you shouldn`t have asked me to explain my personal preference.. Why is it necessary to like each and every player of the world? ? Why do you have to judge people`s choice? ? Everyone has their own point of view.. shouldn`t we just respect each other`s opinion? ?

A bit combative are we not today?

So was I - on topic...until you guys went bonkers.
I was on topic - I was talking about Kallis, and how he says in his interview how hard it is to be an all-rounder. The OP did not ask for favorite all-rounder of all time. So, say who you think is best in your opinion, did I go bash your opinion like you started bashing my Kallis posting? By the way I never said Kallis was best in my op, but he is up there.

Plus I did not ask why you did not like Kallis style, I asked "What is wrong with it [his style]?" It wasn't about you, so chill.

Chill Out and Peace Out!

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
A bit combative are we not today?

So was I - on topic...until you guys went bonkers.
I was on topic - I was talking about Kallis, and how he says in his interview how hard it is to be an all-rounder. The OP did not ask for favorite all-rounder of all time. So, say who you think is best in your opinion, did I go bash your opinion like you started bashing my Kallis posting? By the way I never said Kallis was best in my op, but he is up there.

Plus I did not ask why you did not like Kallis style, I asked "What is wrong with it [his style]?" It wasn't about you, so chill.

Chill Out and Peace Out!

Ok just to clarify when I was posting my opinion on Kallis I actually wasn`t referring to your post.. as I saw the discussion shifted on Kallis I just gave my opinion...So you might have misunderstood that and thought I was bashing your Kallis post..

And I also said in my post #14 that Kallis is not my fav but he is up there amongst the greatest all rounders..

So please don`t jump into a conclusion that my disliking for Kallis is coming from his IPL performance..

Anyways no hard feelings.. It`s just a discussion anyway.. let`s get back to the topic..

[Roey Haque]

Stats will clearly isolate the best all rounders of all time. But it's interesting to judge a player's batting and bowling caliber by his batting and bowling positions in the team. It really shows what their team mates and team management think of their actual abilities.

On that note, I salute any player who has opened both the batting and bowling for their team. Shane Watson has done it in the past. You can tell he's very serious about giving equal time to the two arts.

[Dilscoop]

More "Just cricket" than "Int Cricket."

My input: Klusener doesn't belong in that list. Honestly. Nor does Polleck. Eff that drunken fathead overrated murgi Flintoff. That video is just Kallis's failure to spot the ball. Nothing special. Kallis would never duck a yorker like that. He couldn't see that ball.

If Shahid Afridi concentrated little more on his batting, he would've been on that list. Razzak faded. Vittori never made it.

[Maysun]

[Naimul_Hd]

How many of you actually watched richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns,tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad mike procter playing (3-5 mins of Youtube videos don't count) let alone rate them.

[zinatf]

Me for one.........NOT AT ALL!!! Wasn't even born in that era!

[Gowza]

surprised miller is talked about so little. the guy was a genuine allrounder not just in cricket but played professional AFL and was also a pilot. not to mention at times he purposely got himself out for low scores. such a gun player, possibly the most talented ever.

[BengaliPagol]

Jadeja?

[Gowza]

this is an interesting article:
http://www.cricketweb.net/blog/features/406.php

talks about george giffen, keith miller and aubrey faulkner in good detail.

[Gowza]

i never tire of this discussion, been doing more research on this lately and tbh it's made it even more difficult to produce a clear cut best ever.

sobers - most all round allrounder (bowled left arm orthodox, left arm chinaman, bowled pace, elite batsman, top quality fielder). the fact that he could bowl 3 bowling styles at test quality level and also be one of the best batsmen/fielders ever says he is a unique special talent. people say his bowling stats are misleading, that they're not as good as they could have been due to circumstance. he has a 90+ strike rate with the ball and a 34 average, not all time great bowling stats right? but he entered the team as a left arm orthodox spinner, and was later asked to bowl pace and chinaman, he apparently was used more as a back-up bowler because the specialist bowlers were given the ball first so he got given the ball in raw conditions and/or when batsmen were really set and the specialists couldn't get them out. he was able to take 5fers at test level bowling both pace and spin.

imran - great captain, not so great fielder, great bowler, a very good batsman (but could never be consider a great batsman in terms of talent despite his 51 tests in his last 10 years when he averaged over 50 with bat). imran's plus is that for a lengthy period he averaged over 50 with bat and under 20 with ball and that he was a great captain. his negatives were his fielding and that he didn't really do his batting and bowling at the same time. first half of his career he was more a bowler, 2nd half he was more a batter. this makes him a balanced player over time but you have to ask the quesiton should an allrounder be able to do it at the same time, together?

botham - botham actually was able to do it both together, he has a good amount of centuries (imran only got 7), a good amount of wickets and during his peak he was able to score a lot of runs in the same match as getting a lot of wickets. botham has the record for most amount of tons and 5fes in an innings.

miller - always a top 5 batsman and opened the bowling quite a bit to. similar overall stats to imran but imran didn't usually bat top 5 he was usually at 6/7 so that indicates that miller was a more natural allround talent especially since miller was in one of the best teams of all time so batting in the top 5 must have meant he was a great batsman (averaged over 50 in domestic cricket, 48 for FC overall). so basically miller had the ability to bowl as an all time great bowler and bat as an all time great batsman. his batting stats are a bit misleading since he did give his wicket away, on purpose, on occasion.

kallis - certainly an all time great batsman, has nearly 300 wickets but he doesn't bowl much, only gets 2 wickets a match, decent bowling average but not great. he is used as a back-up bowler due to SA's quality bowling attack so it's tough to know what his bowling stats would have looked like if he was given the ball more often, and how it would have affected his batting.

procter - possibly the most naturally talented cricketer ever alongside miller and sobers. procter has 48 FC tons, almost 22000 FC runs, FC bowling average of under 20 and 1400 FC wickets. he was an opening express bowler, he could bat as a genuine batsman but was utilised more as a bowler and therefore batted lower down the order a lot. but he scored 6 consecutive tons in 6 innings in FC cricket at one time, the feat has only been matched by 2 others: bradman and fry. he also bowled a bit of offspin and was quite competent in that style to.

hadlee - an all time great bowler, think he has the record for most 5fers in test match cricket. probably the best bowler of the great 4 allrounders of the 80s but defintiily the worst batsman of the 4. one of the best bowlers ever but could never bat top 6.

kapil - match winning with both ball and bat but not that consistent with either. though his bowling stats probably suffered a bit due to bowling a lot in india. similar type to botham.

akram - like hadlee more a bowler than a batsman. probably the best left arm fast bowler in cricket history. but his batting average is lower than his bowling average and given that his bowling average is 23 that makes his batting average and consistency not so good. but he has a test match double ton, actually a 250+ score of 257 so the consistency might not have been there but that natural talent was there, so i'd say in natural talent he wouldn't be that far off sobers, miller, procter. he's possibly the best bowling allrounder ever, he has hadlee to compete with, and hadlee has better batting stats but at the same time wasim probably had a higher ceiling of batting talent than hadlee and same with bowling, wasim's bowling was magic at times, hadlee was more of a stick it on off stump type of bowler. so wasim with more natural talent in both batting and bowling but hadlee performing more consistently, certainly with the bat.

chris cairns - for me he is an underrated allrounder, he was explosive and devastating with the bat but a real solid bowler, not an all time great in either suit but above average in both, again similar to botham and kapil. they all had their moments with both bat and ball but none of them can claim to be greats in either suit.

shakib - of current players shakib is probably the most naturally talented allrounder. he has the quality to be a specialist bat and a specialist bowler and that's quite rare.

clive rice - like procter didn't get to play much international cricket but during the same time was one of the best allrounders playing the game. he could bowl with genuine pace and could be a savage batsman. FC batting average of 40 with 48 tons and 26000 runs, FC bowling average of 22 with 900+ wickets. let's not forget procter and rice played a lot of county cricket and at that time county cricket was very strong, much stronger than it is today.

adam gilchrist - have to have the best keeper batsman being mentioned. no one ever considers a keeper batsman as the best allrounder ever but if any of them are to be considered gilchrist is the one to look at. explosive, consistent batsman averaging 47 and one of the best keepers of all time, huge amount of dismissals to his name and probably the most dynamic behind the stumps we've ever seen.