Should Bangladesh be disallowed to play Test cricket?

[Miraz]

The One, get your facts right mate!! West Indies ahead of Bangladesh by a mile?

Take last 10 Test matches played as the benchmark to get the latest situation.

West Indies

	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	HS	LS

filtered

2009-2010

10

0

7

0

2

0.00

28.14

3.30

544

102

That's 7 losses in 10 matches with 2 draws and 1 no result with batting average 28.14


Bangladesh

	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	HS	LS

filtered

2009-2010

10

2

8

0

0

0.25

28.11

3.29

419

123

Played 10 Tests Won 2 with a batting average of 28.11.

West Indies miles ahead? Really??

[badguy]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Played 10 Tests Won 2 with a batting average of 28.11.

West Indies miles ahead? Really??

Against 2nd string WI team,is it?

[The One]

Originally Posted by Miraz
The One, get your facts right mate!! West Indies ahead of Bangladesh by a mile?

Take last 10 Test matches played as the benchmark to get the latest situation.

West Indies


That's 7 losses in 10 matches with 2 draws and 1 no result with batting average 28.14


Bangladesh


Played 10 Tests Won 2 with a batting average of 28.11.

West Indies miles ahead? Really??

I have my facts right, but do you? Those two wins are against a 3rd grade (not even 2nd) WI side. And look at the manner in which WI lost and Bangladesh lost. WI at least comes up with commendable performance some times while when Bangla plays, it is obvious after a day or two that they are going to lose. Only, when will they lose is the question.

[Miraz]

Originally Posted by The One
I have my facts right, but do you? Those two wins are against a 3rd grade (not even 2nd) WI side. And look at the manner in which WI lost and Bangladesh lost. WI at least comes up with commendable performance some times while when Bangla plays, it is obvious after a day or two that they are going to lose. Only, when will they lose is the question.

3rd grade or 2nd grade? Really?

Kemar Roach
David Bernard
Travis Dowlin
Nikita Millar
Dave Riochards
Darren Sammy
Ryan Hinds

All plyed Test matches for West Indies after that series. Only 4-5 leading players are missing, rest of them now make the the first XI of west Indies Test/ODI team.

Anyway, Bangladesh was competitive in most of the Test matches except the last one at Old Trafford. Check the scorecards before posting please.

If Bangladesh is rubbish in Test cricket, current West Indies is equally rubbish.

[The One]

Originally Posted by Miraz
3rd grade or 2nd grade? Really?

Kemar Roach
David Bernard
Travis Dowlin
Nikita Millar
Dave Riochards
Darren Sammy
Ryan Hinds

All plyed Test matches for West Indies after that series. Only 4-5 leading players are missing, rest of them now make the the first XI of west Indies Test/ODI team.

Anyway, Bangladesh was competitive in most of the Test matches except the last one at Old Trafford. Check the scorecards before posting please.

If Bangladesh is rubbish in Test cricket, current West Indies is equally rubbish.

Well, head over to cricinfo and see how WI are playing their ongoing Test match. When did the Bangladesh put up a fight like that last?

I never said that WI is a very good team atm, but they are loads better than Bangladesh when in their full strength.

[Miraz]

Originally Posted by The One
Well, head over to cricinfo and see how WI are playing their ongoing Test match. When did the Bangladesh put up a fight like that last?

I never said that WI is a very good team atm, but they are loads better than Bangladesh when in their full strength.

Did they manage to take the lead? Check Bangladesh's last Test series against England at home and New Zealand at home and away. You will get the idea.

What happened in the last Test? Did WI perform anything better than Bangladesh? IMO, far worse at home.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Did they manage to take the lead? Check Bangladesh's last Test series against England at home and New Zealand at home and away. You will get the idea.

What happened in the last Test? Did WI perform anything better than Bangladesh? IMO, far worse at home.

Bangladesh's first three match Test series.

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/e...es/293428.html

Results like this validates what One is saying.

[Miraz]

Originally Posted by Shade
Bangladesh's first three match Test series.

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/e...es/293428.html

Results like this validates what One is saying.

Again wrong. Bangladesh's first 3 match Test series was against Paksitan. Bangladesh should have won the Multan Test and played neck to neck in the other Test back 2003.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by The One
Well, head over to cricinfo and see how WI are playing their ongoing Test match. When did the Bangladesh put up a fight like that last?

I never said that WI is a very good team atm, but they are loads better than Bangladesh when in their full strength.

in england just a cuople of weeks ago.

they were 185-0 and 126-0...and then the rains came in everything changed. oh, and the light is never offered to BD batsman, they came back in 3-4 times. the very next day, when surprise, surprise England was batting, bright and sunny conditions, play called off 7 overs before the scheduled close of play. in the same conditions the WI would have struggled. don't forget the WI wickets aren't what they used to be in decades past, they are very flat and subcontinental. a BD team muhc weaker than the current bunch (with no-namers like mushfiqur RAHMAN, tapash baisya, and hannan sarkar) also piled up runs and drew a match in 2004 in St Lucia. once the west indies draw with south africa and the ball is moving around then we can talk.

the fact is that every team is suited to the conditions that favor them, no team is immune. bangladesh may be more vulnerable, but like i've said, now is not the time to pull the plug.

if there is so much concern about the integrity of test cricket these issues should have come a few years ago when there was no sign of improvement.

[The One]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
in england just a cuople of weeks ago.

they were 185-0 and 126-0...and then the rains came in everything changed. oh, and the light is never offered to BD batsman, they came back in 3-4 times. the very next day, when surprise, surprise England was batting, bright and sunny conditions, play called off 7 overs before the scheduled close of play. in the same conditions the WI would have struggled. don't forget the WI wickets aren't what they used to be in decades past, they are very flat and subcontinental. a BD team muhc weaker than the current bunch (with no-namers like mushfiqur RAHMAN, tapash baisya, and hannan sarkar) also piled up runs and drew a match in 2004 in St Lucia. once the west indies draw with south africa and the ball is moving around then we can talk.

the fact is that every team is suited to the conditions that favor them, no team is immune. bangladesh may be more vulnerable, but like i've said, now is not the time to pull the plug.

if there is so much concern about the integrity of test cricket these issues should have come a few years ago when there was no sign of improvement.

185-0 and then what? You guys are missing the point. Bangladesh have some decent players. Sakhib is one real talent. Tamim guy also seems to be real good. The problem is apart from those rare individual talents they never perform consistantly as a unit which is what matters. As I said, they'd be 200-1 and 260 all out before you know it. Or, if you put up a good total in the first innings, they don't have the ability to do the same in hte second. Or they'd restrict the opposition for a low score in the first but let htem get away in the second. They just aren't good enough. Sad but true.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by The One
185-0 and then what? You guys are missing the point. Bangladesh have some decent players. Sakhib is one real talent. Tamim guy also seems to be real good. The problem is apart from those rare individual talents they never perform consistantly as a unit which is what matters. As I said, they'd be 200-1 and 260 all out before you know it. Or, if you put up a good total in the first innings, they don't have the ability to do the same in hte second. Or they'd restrict the opposition for a low score in the first but let htem get away in the second. They just aren't good enough. Sad but true.

i don't think anyone has said we're good enough, as in close to South Africa or Australia or India.

but that belies the improvements that have been made. two correct umpring calls in the tests against NZ and England earlier this year, and who knows...at least 2 draws would have been added to teh total, if not 2 wins. which is more than what "miles ahead" WI have managed so far this year.

reagardless, one can equally say the same thing about the opposition, sure england took 10-170 odd with drizzle in the air and failing sunlight, but what about before that when they went 0-185 when the conditions didn't quite suit them? no one is questioning whether steven finn, jimmy anderson, graeme swann, or tim bresnan should be bowling at test level, are they?

bottom line is i think this thread is 2 years too late, and as such, is in pretty bad taste. its like saying "india never win finals matches...so even if they qualify, they should not be allowed to play".

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Miraz
If Bangladesh is rubbish in Test cricket, current West Indies is equally rubbish.

Nobody is disputing the fact of them being rubbish.

[badguy]

Originally Posted by Miraz
3rd grade or 2nd grade? Really?

Kemar Roach
David Bernard
Travis Dowlin
Nikita Millar
Dave Riochards
Darren Sammy
Ryan Hinds

All plyed Test matches for West Indies after that series. Only 4-5 leading players are missing, rest of them now make the the first XI of west Indies Test/ODI team.

Lol they were very much rookies when they played that series v BAN.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by badguy
Lol they were very much rookies when they played that series v BAN.

darren sammy is a rookie? When did you start following cricket? yesterday.

[badguy]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
darren sammy is a rookie? When did you start following cricket? yesterday.

Ask that from yourself.
I don't think he has even played 14-15 tests up to now.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by The One
I have my facts right, but do you? Those two wins are against a 3rd grade (not even 2nd) WI side. And look at the manner in which WI lost and Bangladesh lost. WI at least comes up with commendable performance some times while when Bangla plays, it is obvious after a day or two that they are going to lose. Only, when will they lose is the question.

not correct, look at the batting averages...28 for both, and if you take out the 3rd string WI side, our batting average will actually improve slightly.

bowling wise, WI aren't muich more penetrative, just pacier thats all. sakib is better than any WI bowler of the last decade - just check the average and econ rate.

[al Furqaan]

since December 20, 2008

Batting average = 33
Bowling average = 50 or 51

Bangladesh bat = 28
Bowling average = 53

so if by "miles" you mean inches, yes WI are "miles" ahead.

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
since December 20, 2008

Batting average = 33
Bowling average = 50 or 51

Bangladesh bat = 28
Bowling average = 53

so if by "miles" you mean inches, yes WI are "miles" ahead.

This despite players like Gayle, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, etc

[Hyro]

Originally Posted by Miraz
The One, get your facts right mate!! West Indies ahead of Bangladesh by a mile?

Take last 10 Test matches played as the benchmark to get the latest situation.

West Indies miles ahead? Really??

that was against an almost WI B/C side... so excluding those I dont see whats there to boast about

How many matches have you won in 2010 ? Which includes All Tests, ODIs & T20s ? NONE... so with about 20+ matches in Total.. u haven't won a single one

If u guys cant even win aa single ODI or a T20 for about 6 months..how can you say that you are closer to a Full strength WI ? Thats just a joke....

Wishing is one thing...but the reality is backed up by performances..& the performance of your team has been the ultimate worst

I rally am angry because I am a supporter of your exiting team once... u were damn good to watch when batting.... not anymore.. I dont know man..some batsmen r better than before..but the performance as a team has gone down a lot.. specially in ODIs..so i have not much hope for Tests