Match Thread: Bangladesh v Ireland ,World T20 Warm-up Match, at Fatullah, Mar 14, 2014 ,13:30 Local|07:30 GMT

[CricketPagolChele]

AFAIK, warmup match is not considered as international regardless of teams status

Originally Posted by LateCut
Does this game count as T20I?

[simon]

shukur alhamdulillah
That's what I call a win against non test playing team.
what's with BC's favorite hyped son Shabbir who is scoring at a 100 SR & SR of 72 vs Srilanka ?
Mushy is in some prime form, Tamim showing good form after injury, Sakji is awesome with both bat & ball.
Bijoy should bat at 3 or 4, he is to vulnerable in initial overs.

[Tiger444]

Ya it was a good win. Hope they carry this confidence against the Afghans

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Your comparing a player who has played just one international match to a player that's played 143.

Unfortunately, after all these years, Riyad will likely give you a 14 ball 13 as his stats indicate. For a senior player that's poor. You compare that with the other middle order players like Shakib, Mushy and Nasir, then he's nowhere near them.

What International match??? This is a practice match against an associate site played on your own highway! He comes onto bat at no.3 with Tamim as a partner and absoloutly no pressure. If he is nervous now, what will he do when he plays a real match infront of 20K crowd against an international side coming at no.7 where he HAS to hit?

He wont bat at no.3 since there are too many competitors. I would rather have Imrul, Shamsur, Anamul, Mominul, Shakib or even Mushy bat there than Shabbir who is supposed to be a finisher.

and why shouldnt I compare him? If you play x player instead of y, there is a direct comparison right there. Otherwise why would you play y? Only way Sabbir will be slotted in is if Riyad is dropped. Is it unfair to compare the "best T20 prospect" with the "worst player in the side"? unfair for who?

[Tiger444]

^wow someone just got emotional. Seriously I just dont get why some people are just so blind when their favorite player gets a little bit of criticism and get so winded up but I guess its impossible to reason with "blind" fans like you.

Btw, its not just this post. Its about your posts in the past as well on Riyad. Your reasonable with other players but as soon as it comes to Riyad, different story.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
^wow someone just got emotional. Seriously I just dont get why some people are just so blind when their favorite player gets a little bit of criticism and get so winded up but I guess its impossible to reason with "blind" fans like you.

Btw, its not just this post. Its about your posts in the past as well on Riyad. Your reasonable with other players but as soon as it comes to Riyad, different story.

If my post was emotional, your post was unreasonable. Yes I have already admitted in this forum that I am a blind fan of Riyad. No shame in admitting that. I can also understand why people have complaints about him based on his performance. But it seems like complaints have gone to a level where it is simply unreasonable. If he cant hit a full toss for 6, he is a sissy, if Nasir cant hit one for six, he is out of form! If he for doesnt go for 4s and 6s when he comes into bat, he is selfish and unacapable, if others do the same, they are out of form or nervous or the bowler was simply too good.

In all fairness, Riyad does based on his records shouldnt make the T20 squad. Thats fine! But I only wanted to point out that his replacement which some of you guys have been day dreaming for past one year is off to a far worse start than Riyad himself.

What is your "reasoning" anyways in response to my post? I am interested

[mufi_02]

Riyad is a good player. He has decent technique and a handy bowler. But that's all. He needs to be more than that and find out a role for him in the team.

Almost everyone in the team has a role. Tamim/Shamsu/Momin for top order and then Shakib/Mushy as middle orders and power hitters while Nasir as the finisher. No point talking about bowling department because that's a mess. But Riyad, after all these years, has not been able to find his own role. Naeem was in the same boat who used to come in lower order, but now has moved up and became a serious challenger in middle order for both test and ODIs. Even Zia/Reza has a role as slogger and medium pacers bowling tight lenghts. But Riyad just languishing in lower order and bowling as a part timer. Even in that vague role he is not delivering match winning performances.

He is capable to do more than that. He needs to step up and say I can come in early and build an innings. Or say I can come in later and start slogging. And I can bowl and contain runs. But he is just going with the flow and playing in one series and missing the next. He is turning out to be a bits and pieces type of player like Suhorwardy Shuvo and others.

So Riyad, man up, identify your role, take challenges, then deliver. Otherwise he won't last in this competitive environment. Instead of retiring as good handy player you will be remembered as "oh, oije Mushfiqur er bhaira jay, ek kale cricket khelto" type.

[simon]

Ryad is a player who just does enough to stay in the team.
As a senior player he needs to ne more than just enough.
There was a time when Mushy used to be just enough but look at him now.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by rinathq
If my post was emotional, your post was unreasonable. Yes I have already admitted in this forum that I am a blind fan of Riyad. No shame in admitting that. I can also understand why people have complaints about him based on his performance. But it seems like complaints have gone to a level where it is simply unreasonable. If he cant hit a full toss for 6, he is a sissy, if Nasir cant hit one for six, he is out of form! If he for doesnt go for 4s and 6s when he comes into bat, he is selfish and unacapable, if others do the same, they are out of form or nervous or the bowler was simply too good.

In all fairness, Riyad does based on his records shouldnt make the T20 squad. Thats fine! But I only wanted to point out that his replacement which some of you guys have been day dreaming for past one year is off to a far worse start than Riyad himself.

What is your "reasoning" anyways in response to my post? I am interested

Remember, not all fans are the same. Dont take it so personally when people bash the players. Fans have different ways of expressing themselves but in the end we want one thing and that's to win.

Also you get too offended by the word "sissy." I dont know how old you are or how long you followed sports in general but you go outside this forum and you hear far worse language. Is it the best choice of language? No but harsh words get thrown at players but you have to just realize its the way sports is.

What I didnt like I just thought your post was an unnecessary cheap shot at Shabbir. Tamim basically has the same type of innings but did u go after him? Also why bring in Riyad in to the discussion? Does he have the same expectations as Shabbir? Riyad should be on the level of Mushy, Shakib and Tamim. Is that too much to ask for?

Also you have to give a player some time. Just 2 matches doesnt justify Shabbir as a failure. You have to give him a certain amount of chances. If Riyad can get these chances than so should Shabbir

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
Riyad is a good player. He has decent technique and a handy bowler. But that's all. He needs to be more than that and find out a role for him in the team.

Almost everyone in the team has a role. Tamim/Shamsu/Momin for top order and then Shakib/Mushy as middle orders and power hitters while Nasir as the finisher. No point talking about bowling department because that's a mess. But Riyad, after all these years, has not been able to find his own role. Naeem was in the same boat who used to come in lower order, but now has moved up and became a serious challenger in middle order for both test and ODIs. Even Zia/Reza has a role as slogger and medium pacers bowling tight lenghts. But Riyad just languishing in lower order and bowling as a part timer. Even in that vague role he is not delivering match winning performances.

He is capable to do more than that. He needs to step up and say I can come in early and build an innings. Or say I can come in later and start slogging. And I can bowl and contain runs. But he is just going with the flow and playing in one series and missing the next. He is turning out to be a bits and pieces type of player like Suhorwardy Shuvo and others.

So Riyad, man up, identify your role, take challenges, then deliver. Otherwise he won't last in this competitive environment. Instead of retiring as good handy player you will be remembered as "oh, oije Mushfiqur er bhaira jay, ek kale cricket khelto" type.

Great post. Summed up my thoughts well

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by simon
Ryad is a player who just does enough to stay in the team.
As a senior player he needs to ne more than just enough.
There was a time when Mushy used to be just enough but look at him now.

And thats my problem with Riyad. Dont get me wrong. He has the ability to be a much better player than he is but unfortunately he hasn't. It shouldn't be too much of an expectation to expect him to be as good as Tamim, Shakib and Mushy. These 3 are not Clarke, De Villers, Sanga, Alma etc.

[Rana Melb]

Riad to taw fielding vhalo kore..Amago Razzak to kichui parena..tarporo he keeps playing like SRK. MOTIN etc.
This is the time to rethink our 7 & 8 position slow left arm spinner option.

[Gowza]

Riyads role has been defined to him ever since he entered the team he just hasn't flourished in it though and when he's been given other roles (like batting up the order) he's struggled. He has the ability and certainly by now should have been grouped with shakib, mushy and tamim in terms of performance but he can't be and that says something (that he hasn't developed as he should and could have). He has the talent but hasn't put it together for any sort of decent extended period and struggles when given more responsibility, it's probably an attitude or mental problem holding him back because he is good enough but imo he can be related to guys like ash, aftab, alok and shahadat who have the ability on the physical side but struggle with the mental side. he's more consistent than they were but we still need much more from him.

don't forget he was averaging over 40 for awhile in tests and looked a very competent test batsman, he's now averaging under 28, couple that with his ODI results where he's played 84 innings (99 matches) and has 25 not outs and only 9 scores over 50, never passing 75 and striking at only 72 while for the most part batting down at 6-8 it shows where he is at, this is not a small sample size.

i think we can currently related nasir to riyad actually, both had good starts to their career, for riyad in tests more so whereas it's all formats for nasir but riyad still hasn't recovered from his fall, hopefully nasir can.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Remember, not all fans are the same. Dont take it so personally when people bash the players. Fans have different ways of expressing themselves but in the end we want one thing and that's to win.

Also you get too offended by the word "sissy." I dont know how old you are or how long you followed sports in general but you go outside this forum and you hear far worse language. Is it the best choice of language? No but harsh words get thrown at players but you have to just realize its the way sports is.

What I didnt like I just thought your post was an unnecessary cheap shot at Shabbir. Tamim basically has the same type of innings but did u go after him? Also why bring in Riyad in to the discussion? Does he have the same expectations as Shabbir? Riyad should be on the level of Mushy, Shakib and Tamim. Is that too much to ask for?

Also you have to give a player some time. Just 2 matches doesnt justify Shabbir as a failure. You have to give him a certain amount of chances. If Riyad can get these chances than so should Shabbir

there is nothing personal here. Yes wording can go all wild where sports is concerned. I follow NHL and I know exactly how worse it gets at times. The only thing that bothers me is, it seems to be a parmanent signature name that is given to Riyad here which I feel is unfair. I am not here to stop it, but I will continue to point when others perform similarly and still gets off the BC name calling book.

And it certainly wasnt a cheap shot at Shabbir. Shabbir seems to be everyones solution for lower order in shorter formats. But when that guy gets almost 18 overs to make an entry and all he ends up doing is a failed attempt to secure his slot by scoring a slow 20.... thats a big question mark right there. I didnt say anything about Tamim because it was somewhat expected. Tamim is not the "Fearless Tamim" like before.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
Riyad is a good player. He has decent technique and a handy bowler. But that's all. He needs to be more than that and find out a role for him in the team.

Almost everyone in the team has a role. Tamim/Shamsu/Momin for top order and then Shakib/Mushy as middle orders and power hitters while Nasir as the finisher. No point talking about bowling department because that's a mess. But Riyad, after all these years, has not been able to find his own role. Naeem was in the same boat who used to come in lower order, but now has moved up and became a serious challenger in middle order for both test and ODIs. Even Zia/Reza has a role as slogger and medium pacers bowling tight lenghts. But Riyad just languishing in lower order and bowling as a part timer. Even in that vague role he is not delivering match winning performances.

He is capable to do more than that. He needs to step up and say I can come in early and build an innings. Or say I can come in later and start slogging. And I can bowl and contain runs. But he is just going with the flow and playing in one series and missing the next. He is turning out to be a bits and pieces type of player like Suhorwardy Shuvo and others.

So Riyad, man up, identify your role, take challenges, then deliver. Otherwise he won't last in this competitive environment. Instead of retiring as good handy player you will be remembered as "oh, oije Mushfiqur er bhaira jay, ek kale cricket khelto" type.

Correct me If I am wrong, but Riyad, if he makes the XI, will be there as a replacement of Sohag Gazi. His recent performance with the bowl certainly makes him a better choice than Gazi with the bowl and there simply cant be any comparison of the two with the bat. You cant expect a Shakib like performance from his slot but you can certainly expect better than Gazi....

[Rana Melb]

I think nasir, riyad and gazi - all of them went off color at the same time.This why our problem has started.Nasir used to play very good at lower middle order.Now with nasir's downward performance impacts the entire lower middle order . furthermore, bd tailenders hardly wag. If we can fix our 6-8 batting options, I strongly believe we would overcome our current crisis.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by rinathq
Correct me If I am wrong, but Riyad, if he makes the XI, will be there as a replacement of Sohag Gazi. His recent performance with the bowl certainly makes him a better choice than Gazi with the bowl and there simply cant be any comparison of the two with the bat. You cant expect a Shakib like performance from his slot but you can certainly expect better than Gazi....

I agree. But once again Gazi is a specialist spinner, even though he is in terrible form now. While Riyad is the specialist batsmen. So whenever team needs to balance, we pick Gazi/Riyad based on other players.

It's just sad that an once promising player like him, who was our best player in WI away series win, a very recent VC, now fights his spot with Gazi and his spot is determined after the combination of other 10.

I'll blame him mostly for it. There was a time we badly needed solid top/middle order players. We tested with Siddiqui, Jahurul and then threw in Momin, Anamul, Marshall batch. As a senior player and also as a VC, he never even bothered to take more responsibility.

My frustration is that he is a much better player than Gazi but due to lack of something will never reach his potential.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Your comparing a player who has played just one international match to a player that's played 143.

Unfortunately, after all these years, Riyad will likely give you a 14 ball 13 as his stats indicate. For a senior player that's poor. You compare that with the other middle order players like Shakib, Mushy and Nasir, then he's nowhere near them.

Ryad fans are extremely loyal. They are so loyal that they not only support Ryad in every situation but they also start hating on any player who might become a competitor for his place.

[Night_wolf]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Ryad fans are extremely loyal. They are so loyal that they not only support Ryad in every situation but they also start hating on any player who might become a competitor for his place.

its like ash resigned and the tona jadu has taken by riyad, the comparisons are identical..(tona on fans,cricket authorities..in case of riyad its on cricketers)

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by rinathq
there is nothing personal here. Yes wording can go all wild where sports is concerned. I follow NHL and I know exactly how worse it gets at times. The only thing that bothers me is, it seems to be a parmanent signature name that is given to Riyad here which I feel is unfair. I am not here to stop it, but I will continue to point when others perform similarly and still gets off the BC name calling book.

And it certainly wasnt a cheap shot at Shabbir. Shabbir seems to be everyones solution for lower order in shorter formats. But when that guy gets almost 18 overs to make an entry and all he ends up doing is a failed attempt to secure his slot by scoring a slow 20.... thats a big question mark right there. I didnt say anything about Tamim because it was somewhat expected. Tamim is not the "Fearless Tamim" like before.

He gets called that mainly because of the fact that he plays overly defensive. It would be understandable if he was still a new kid getting a feeling for international cricket but he's been playing for so long but yet he still looks so tentative. A player that experienced should be able to show more control but with Riyad he just doesn't do that.

I didn't mind the Riyad in the early 2010 season. That's when he played with confidence. Nowadays, he seems to have lost that confidence, hence the poor batting from him. Compare him with Mushy and Shakib. Yes, different styles but look how much more in control they are compared to Riyad. Even Nasir, a player much younger than him bats according to the situation better than Riyad.

Regarding Shabbir, he's performed consistently well in T20's which is why people wanted him to get a chance and why not? Our lower order is a bit vulnerable and as we saw in the BPL, he can hit it big. I agree it wasn't a good innings and not defending that but we shouldn't get worried just yet. Even some of the great players today were shaky in the beginning. It's natural to see Shabbir struggling a bit but he should be given his chances and we should see if he's the answer

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Ryad fans are extremely loyal. They are so loyal that they not only support Ryad in every situation but they also start hating on any player who might become a competitor for his place.

Ya I don't mind loyal fans as they have every right to be loyal to their favorite players but at the end of the day the team comes first and if the player your loyal to is struggling then you need to be fair and criticize at some point.

[Sohel]

Riyad is the man. He'll easily break into any side with his skills, courage, consistency and overall excellence. We're lucky to have him grace our lives with his charitable presence.

[ononto]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Ya I don't mind loyal fans as they have every right to be loyal to their favorite players but at the end of the day the team comes first and if the player your loyal to is struggling then you need to be fair and criticize at some point.

I guess Riyad already got married and happy in his life... just saying

and just kidding ...

[hoodlum]

Originally Posted by Sohel
Riyad is the man. He'll easily break into any side with his skills, courage, consistency and overall excellence. We're lucky to have him grace our lives with his charitable presence.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Ryad fans are extremely loyal. They are so loyal that they not only support Ryad in every situation but they also start hating on any player who might become a competitor for his place.

so its "hating" when we do it....