Bangladesh Post Match Discussion

[Mas_UK25]

After every BD game. Discuss about the matches here. Makes one thread easier to find about what was discussed about a game after it was completed.

[Mas_UK25]

2nd ODI BD v WI 2018


What went wrong?

Discuss..

[Rifat_02]

Originally Posted by Mas_UK25
2nd ODI BD v WI 2018


What went wrong?

Discuss..

Apart from seniors nobody put in anything yet again while batting, Mithun/Saifuddin needs to be brought back.

Opposing team had someone play a blinder of an innings , it can happen in ODIs

Fizz and Mashrafe underperformed I thought , even though mashrafe got some wickets he wasnt his best. The injuries could be taking it's toll

Rubel is still suspect while bowling at the end , today he didn't get exposed as much because game was over in Fizzs over but this issue needs to look at maybe have Shakib bowl the final overs with fizz, otherwise this will come back to haunt us again in future

[Subhojit Pol]

Originally Posted by Rifat_02
Apart from seniors nobody put in anything yet again while batting, Mithun/Saifuddin needs to be brought back.

Opposing team had someone play a blinder of an innings , it can happen in ODIs

Fizz and Mashrafe underperformed I thought , even though mashrafe got some wickets he wasnt his best. The injuries could be taking it's toll

Rubel is still suspect while bowling at the end , today he didn't get exposed as much because game was over in Fizzs over but this issue needs to look at maybe have Shakib bowl the final overs with fizz, otherwise this will come back to haunt us again in future

In New Zealand and England, Shakib bowling at the death overs is not good for us, he will go for plenty. We need a good pace attack at present.

[Habib]

Originally Posted by Rifat_02
Apart from seniors nobody put in anything yet again while batting, Mithun/Saifuddin needs to be brought back.

Opposing team had someone play a blinder of an innings , it can happen in ODIs

Fizz and Mashrafe underperformed I thought , even though mashrafe got some wickets he wasnt his best. The injuries could be taking it's toll

Rubel is still suspect while bowling at the end , today he didn't get exposed as much because game was over in Fizzs over but this issue needs to look at maybe have Shakib bowl the final overs with fizz, otherwise this will come back to haunt us again in future

Agreed, but despite all of that we still would have won the match had the cobra man not dropped Paul I believe.

[Mas_UK25]

Scoring 255 after a decent start if they maintained decent run scoring and wasted less dots 280 could have been easily archived. For me Windies had the belief because of the low target on a good wicket to bat on. It made the job easier despite going down to the last over. Heck even 265-270 would've been a very good score in the end.

BANGLADESH batsmen need to score big runs. Big totals are needed. All the depth and talent is of no use of you can't pile up big scores on good batting surfaces.

In the end it was bit of an embarrassment to see how they finished off the innings. One nil up surly play with more freedom. Needed Sarkar and Liton in the end to do some big hitting. Miraz missed many balls same way again and again. Mash can't hold the bat unless it's practice match or if he is playing BPL. Couple of good hits towards the end would got it to least 265-270! But again 255 on a Good wicket is never enough especially of one batsman bats and scores a big ton.

[Fazal]

Just wondering does Imrul and Ryiad considered seniors or Junior? Where do they fall?



There was a statement that all senior players did good today.... I am confused.

[Mas_UK25]

Imrul Kayes is type that does well against certain lower ranked teams or certain teams with no real pace bowler. Against Oshanes bowling mr Kayes looks at sea to say the least. His bat comes down from real high lift so snail pace and gets beaten easily by pace, he needs to sort that Bat lift up against genuine pace !

[Rinathq]

We still need our top order to fire. Tamim was good.. but other then that, the other 2 went missing. Even though we have a strong middle order, doing damage recovery everyday doesnt really work. Shakib and RIyad are aggressive players. But they cant play their game if we dont have a decent start.

Also I am thinking 4 openers is one too many. I would drop Liton since Imrul only had 2 bad games and open him with Tamim. Soumya needs to move up as he is not a finisher by any means. There is a difference between an attacking opener and a pinch hitter. He is used to open boundaries and the luxury to play lofted shots without needing all of them to clear. We can put Mithun in between Shakib and Riyad. Bowling was fine I thought. Hope was just better. We had everyone else covered

[Mas_UK25]

Drop Liton who played a important innings at the top on the tricky first match wicket but keep Sarkar because he scored ton at practice match?

Kayes looks at sea against pace. Might be two match bad batting. I don't count his heroics against Zimba highly important. Take that series out and look at his average and SR since last WC. But if anyone needs to be dropped for next game is Sarkar of he isn't going to be bowled at all by the captain . I'd give Kayes another chance again for his heroics against the mighty Zimba. In the long run BD captain needs to figure out how to use Sarkar well and use his bowling in the middle overs too then he can contribute better, he definitely is not a finisher.

[One World]

Mindset and strategy needs to be changed as soon the flavor of the surface is exposed.
First, try luck to win the toss to bat second to chase and we will win.

If not come with a set script that we will cautiously make 250+ and our bowling unit can take care of it. We will never try 300+ against quality pace, we save it only for Zim, this nineties era ODI mindset will not work anymore. Most of the times we pay the price that way. This was not a Asia cup pitch that we can hold on to even mighty Ind till the last ball with a tiny total.

None of those seniors are big hitters. Tamim was once but he changed his game which actually helped because he opens. But could not develop a dependable big hitter like Pre-Siddons Aftab or Post-Siddons Nasir rather spent all our resources developing neither talented nor skillful complete packages.

[Eshen]

I have not seen the match. But what I read in news and match thread, sounds like fielding was the main culprit today. You can't drop so many catches and still expect to win everyday.

I am assuming Imrul will be benched in Sylhet to accommodate Mithun (who is also a poor fielder btw).

[Nafi]

Either Liton and Kayes need to be dropped, and Sarkar pushed up the order.

I'd like to see Saifuddin played instead.

[Fazal]

Riyad is not a slogger. SS is an attacking player, but never had any success as a slogger. Miraj is a prospect as a proper batsman, its a crime to expect him to be a slogger. Only Mashrafee was a slogger in his good days, not now anymore.


Who is our slogger(s)?
Where is the 6th bowler in the team?
Who is our specialists death bowlers? We cannot trust our spinners, not Rubel or Mashrafee in death bowling. Then what is the management's plan during late overs? If Rubel and/or mashrafee cannot do that, then why both of them in the teaam?



If someone like Litton is there, then why Mushfiq does the wicket keeping? How it helps the team?


Again, we are assigning our players with wrong roles.


Only Three (at best) out of Tamim/Litton/SS/Imrul should be there in the team, not all four.
If Riyad bats at #6, he must bowl regularly, and he must know how to slog regularly, otherwise he should not be in the team as #6.

[Roey Haque]

You cannot play more than 30 deliveries and have strike rate of below 60 in ODIs. Which is what MahmaDullAh did. This whole idea of taking too long to get set first, and later being on a race against the time to make it up, just doesn't work. Evaluate yourself after a certain time, then switch to run a ball if possible, don't look for shots. If you can't do that, then yes, free your arms and try playing shots. Don't clog up the run pipeline.

Also, you cannot have catches dropped. Apu's chance was a bit difficult, but what about the one Kayes dropped? It came right to him, hit him on the chest. Have to take those.

The last two overs CAN happen. Like others said before me, pinch hitting or power hitting is not Miraz's game. What is he then, actually doing at 9???? Move him up the order. Surely he can get us some steady runs. Let Riyad and Shakib be the finishers, ideally. Soumya and Liton are top order batsman, I don't think they should be evaluated as finishers.

[Shingara]

We don't have any hitters. Hence we suck at T20s.
It's a shame we have not been able to find a single Alok or Aash or Aftab in this gen

[iDumb]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
You cannot play more than 30 deliveries and have strike rate of below 60 in ODIs. Which is what MahmaDullAh did. This whole idea of taking too long to get set first, and later being on a race against the time to make it up, just doesn't work.

your argument would have merit if riyad was always that type of player. If anything riyad played an atypical innings. Sending him to hold one end will bring out the test batsman riyad. I think you are blaming the wrong person here. He didn't really have much of a choice when he was sent after two quick wickets but half of the overs still to be bowled.

[adamnsu]

Kayes and Sarksr should not be in the team
Batsman did not capatalise on good starts
Bowling was ok but didn’t apply pressure front the start
Apu should never be in the team
Team body language was bad during fielding

[simon]

What went wrong?
Tamim & Sakib came back and so did the minnow batting of SS,Liton and Imrul.

I am still not giving up on Imrul.

I think we should go with the same XI as this was our best possible XI and we did win 1st ODI comfortably, but I won't be surprised if there is a change or two.
Even though this makes the series more exciting but we lost the opportunity to test our bench strength.

[Night_wolf]

Originally Posted by simon
What went wrong?
Tamim & Sakib came back and so did the minnow batting of SS,Liton and Imrul.

I am still not giving up on Imrul.

I think we should go with the same XI as this was our best possible XI and we did win 1st ODI comfortably, but I won't be surprised if there is a change or two.
Even though this makes the series more exciting but we lost the opportunity to test our bench strength.

Liton is always on or off..so cant see any difference here

I dont blame imrul or sarkar..team selection messed up their preferred batting slots. specially sarkar's. you cant expect him playing like how he was @ number 6

[Jadukor]

The opposition played good cricket and executed better at crucial moments. WI pacers bowled with very good pace. 147kph is no joke and Imrul was clearly struggling. The execution by Roach with slower delivery at the death also was very good and we simply could not find boundaries in the final overs. We need to bring our A game in the 3rd match and all of this is very good practice for the World cup. Our batsman need to face quality fast bowlers now because in England it won't be easy.

[zura]

Yesterday was a classic example of not adding a finisher to the batting line-up and we were at least 10 runs short due to it in the last 2 overs. You can't call Mahmudullah a finisher if you send him in after the 25th over. As for Soumya Sarkar, I said it after the Zimbabwe series that he can only score against inferior bowling in flat tracks and he has shown that against West Indies. Having Saifuddin over him would have changed a lot as we would not only have a finisher but another death over bowler. Mashrafe choosing Mahmudullah over Rubel shows that he wasn't ready mentally to bowl the last over.

[hoodlum]

Originally Posted by zura
Yesterday was a classic example of not adding a finisher to the batting line-up and we were at least 10 runs short due to it in the last 2 overs. You can't call Mahmudullah a finisher if you send him in after the 25th over. As for Soumya Sarkar, I said it after the Zimbabwe series that he can only score against inferior bowling in flat tracks and he has shown that against West Indies. Having Saifuddin over him would have changed a lot as we would not only have a finisher but another death over bowler. Mashrafe choosing Mahmudullah over Rubel shows that he wasn't ready mentally to bowl the last over.

Let Soumya play in his usual position then we can judge. For now, team management is unable to give Soumya his favourite batting position.

[ToBeFair]

Many good observations here.

01. Both Soumya and Imrul are not middle and lower middle order batsmen. It is wrong to assign them into the role of finishers. They are not finishers and thus have failed miserably.

02. Mashrafe needs to take his batting a little seriously for team's sake. Once he was a very dependable guy for a few late blows, but now a days he can barely hold his bat.

03. We still do not have a genuine no 3. I prefer Soumya to be our no 2 and Liton to be our No 3.

04. Instead of playing four openers, play three (Tamim, Soumya, Liton), and have a genuine finisher - Saifuddin or someone else.

05. Team management has to clarify what their batting expectation is from Miraz. If he is not a finisher, he should be promoted up in the order with Riyad and Shakib be demoted down the order because they can hit.

06. Who should bowl the death overs must be predetermined. It is clear that Mash, Rubel, and Miraz are not suited for death over bowling.

[Shingara]

Miraz opened in a match recently and he did well.