Asian XI-how impartial are the selectors?

[zia]

Zaheer Khan batted when Ashraful was not called to bat. With ODI highest of 34* he can bat but Ash can't? What do you think? Selectors are partial or they just go by business motives? This not acceptable in the sprit of sports.

[Dawah]

When an India is the head of selectors, this is well expected.

[Xavier]

It is really unfair by the selectors not having any Bangladesh player in the starting eleven, especially when you choose Nehra as a bowler instead of Mortaza!

[GuruTM]

Originally posted by zia
Zaheer Khan batted when Ashraful was not called to bat. With ODI highest of 34* he can bat but Ash can't? What do you think? Selectors are partial or they just go by business motives? This not acceptable in the sprit of sports.

Think twice before you say something like this. Get the facts:

Ashraful is playing as a supersub and he could be used if Asia batted second. Asia lost the toss and they batted first and if they used Ashraful then they have to substitute him with a bowler. Then what will happen when asia is bowling. They will be a bowler short and thus loose the match. I find no partiality in this. This is plain strategy.

Besides what i said above i was happy that the selectors didn't drop him totally after that golden duck in the first match.

[Navarene]

[quote They will be a bowler short and thus loose the match [/quote]
They will be a bowler short? Sorry I can't take this lame excuse. With Shoaib, Zaheer, Nehra, Muralitharan and Afridi they had enough bolwer in their arsenal. They could have easily selected Ash as a specialist batsman for the first eleven instead of this midocre allrounder Abdur Razzaq. This is a sheer partiality!

[istiak]

Originally posted by zia
Zaheer Khan batted when Ashraful was not called to bat. With ODI highest of 34* he can bat but Ash can't? What do you think? Selectors are partial or they just go by business motives? This not acceptable in the sprit of sports.

I understand your worry but did you really know how super sub work? Today Zaheer came to bat at 47th over after the departure of Shoiab and do you really want to see Ash at that time of the innings and who is going to bowl for Asia XI afterword?

Today they put Mahela Jayawardene and i think that kiil any possiblity of Ash to bat for Asia XI.

[istiak]

Originally posted by dawah.tabligh
When an India is the head of selectors, this is well expected.

Do you really think there are too many indian playing in Asian XI?

Ash is really no where close to Mahela in batting capability, with whom he was campiting in that batting spot.

Edited on, August 20, 2005, 6:20 PM GMT, by istiak.

[Navarene]

with whom he was campiting in that batting spot.

With the pathetic abdur Razzak

[Beamer]

Inzi got hurt today while running between the wkts and had to use a runner. He didn't field afterwards. It looked like an ankle injury. I doubt whether he will play tomorrow as he was clearly limping. Ash might just play as a regular batsman tomorrow and not as a supesub. I believe he will play tomorrow.

[BonBon]

Guys- its just a show match where people (if at all) come to see cricket played by big names. Naturally Ash is not going to e selected. Who the ** wants to see him bat in South Africa?

Lets wait for the Srilanka series, where we hope Ash will quench our thirst for some superb batting.

[Fortuner]

Originally posted by TeamManager

Think twice before you say something like this. Get the facts:

Ashraful is playing as a supersub and he could be used if Asia batted second. Asia lost the toss and they batted first and if they used Ashraful then they have to substitute him with a bowler. Then what will happen when asia is bowling. They will be a bowler short and thus loose the match. I find no partiality in this. This is plain strategy.

Besides what i said above i was happy that the selectors didn't drop him totally after that golden duck in the first match.

Thanks...for dat...

Actually, some of us over here dont know the Super Sub thing fully...even me too..but later i knew it fully well...

[Rubayed]

I guess i m not that clear about the super sub rules but guys once Yousuf Youhana or Mahela Jawardene were out, couldnt they replace any one of the two for Ash to bat on for the last 10 overs or so ,rather than make the bowlers bat? Is it possible by the new rule?

[cricketboy]

Wasnt mashrafe chosen before Nahra nad Zaheer in the squad. Than why cant he get into the team. I think both Ashraful and Mashrafe should play in the 3rd match, atleast 1, not as a substitute.

[deshpremi]

Think twice before you say something like this. Get the facts:

Ashraful is playing as a supersub and he could be used if Asia batted second. Asia lost the toss and they batted first and if they used Ashraful then they have to substitute him with a bowler. Then what will happen when asia is bowling. They will be a bowler short and thus loose the match. I find no partiality in this. This is plain strategy.

Besides what i said above i was happy that the selectors didn't drop him totally after that golden duck in the first match. [/quote]

Correction,
It was actually Asia who won the toss and decided to bat first.
However, it would have been pointless and silly for Ashraful to come in instead of Zaheer Khan at this stage as Asia were not in any trouble and had the perfect platform for their bowlers to come in and do the business.
What really baffles and bothers me is the LOGIC behind having named a BATSMAN as a sub and then deciding to bat first after winning the toss which totally renders the sub useless.
Now, when you consider facts like this, you do start to wonder don't you?

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by Xavier
It is really unfair by the selectors not having any Bangladesh player in the starting eleven, especially when you choose Nehra as a bowler instead of Mortaza!

Nehra's bowling stats in one day cricket are every which way better than Mortaza's (by some serious distance). Try that for an explanation.

[ajithlalm]

They should have picked Abdul Razak the allrounder as supersub and substituted him for Ashraful in the second inings.
or if the Asia were bowling first. They should have substituted Nehra for Razak in the second innings.

I strongly believe that supersub should be an allrounder

[Dawah]

This attitude of Indian selectors should give our boys enough motivation to train hard enough to whip India in world cup inshaAllah!

[Zobair]

disagree! IMHO it was nothing to do with the "indian" selectors...such a presumption of guilt without proof really discouraging! troubling! If I were an indian fan coming to this site I would be very disappointed. Honestly, every batsman in the selected line-up merits selection before Ashraful because of their form and several match-winning efforts..not just one...show me one batsman who is less accomplished than Ash is. In any case, whats with the urgency with which people jump to the conclusion that it is case of ill-intentions and bad attitude...and not an honest decision gone possibly wrong (questionable!) ?! What ever happened to thinking the best about people?! or giving people the benefit of doubt? Or is such magnanimity reserved for people belonging to one religion, race or nationality? Why are we acting like such tribalists? Isn't the world becoming one intolerant place? There! I am done ranting.

PS: it is not just directed at DT's posts.

Originally posted by dawah.tabligh
This attitude of Indian selectors should give our boys enough motivation to train hard enough to whip India in world cup inshaAllah!

Edited on, August 21, 2005, 1:32 AM GMT, by Zobair.

[tarifmahmud]

kono chinta nai guyz......2moro Ash & Mash both r playing........

[reverse_swing]

Originally posted by Zobair
disagree! IMHO it was nothing to do with the "indian" selectors...such a presumption of guilt without proof really discouraging! troubling! If I were an indian fan coming to this site I would be very disappointed. Honestly, every batsman in the selected line-up merits selection before Ashraful because of their form and several match-winning efforts..not just one...show me one batsman who is less accomplished than Ash is. In any case, whats with the urgency with which people jump to the conclusion that it is case of ill-intentions and bad attitude...and not an honest decision gone possibly wrong (questionable!) ?! What ever happened to thinking the best about people?! or giving people the benefit of doubt? Or is such magnanimity reserved for people belonging to one religion, race or nationality? Why are we acting like such tribalists? Isn't the world becoming one intolerant place? There! I am done ranting.

PS: it is not just directed at DT's posts.

Edited on, August 21, 2005, 1:32 AM GMT, by Zobair.

Well said.

[Tintin]

I guess i m not that clear about the super sub rules but guys once Yousuf Youhana or Mahela Jawardene were out, couldnt they replace any one of the two for Ash to bat on for the last 10 overs or so ,rather than make the bowlers bat? Is it possible by the new rule?

No. The supersub cannot bat if the person he is replacing has already batted.

Similarly, if the bowler that he is replacing has bowled (say) 6 overs, the supersub can bowl only the remaining 4.

Edited on, August 21, 2005, 2:04 AM GMT, by Tintin.

[AsifTheManRahman]

come on guys, it's only an Afro-Asia match. nothing serious at all

[hemopcs24]

i hope ash will play yhe 3rd ODI

[cricman]

Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
come on guys, it's only an Afro-Asia match. nothing serious at all

Then why in the world did they(Mashrafe and Ash) travel half way around the world in the middle of winter in South Africa?

[AsifTheManRahman]

what were they supposed to do after being announced in the squad?