Why is Rafiq Never Considered for Captaincy?

babubangla · #1 February 28, 2005, 07:00 PM

Why is Rafiq never considered for Captaincy of Bangladesh Team? Is it becasue of his weakness in English? Or does he lack in leadership and communication skills?

Edited on, March 1, 2005, 12:01 AM GMT, by babubangla.

al · #2 February 28, 2005, 07:01 PM

may be hot tempered at times. i may be wrong

cricket_pagla · #3 February 28, 2005, 07:13 PM

He's not captaincy material like Ashraful... but outstanding cricketer...

Blah · #4 February 28, 2005, 08:12 PM

Why was macgrath never a captain?
Why was Murilitharan never a captain?
Why was Kumble never a captain?

Not all great players make good captain.
Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara is the best example I can think of, Lousy not-very-succesful captain, but great players.

Akib · #5 February 28, 2005, 08:29 PM

You are very right Blah. Plus i think Rafique is too old now to be a new captain. BD will probably train a younger captain (ashraful) under Bashars guidance.

BangladeshFan · #6 February 28, 2005, 09:13 PM

there is a saying , a captain is as good as his team. make ponting captain of bd, make bashar captain of australia, do you think something exceptional will happen?
:P

i couldnt understand why rafiq cant be a good captain and ash can be a good captain though
:bald:

Fazal · #7 February 28, 2005, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by babubangla
Why is Rafiq never considered for Captaincy of Bangladesh Team? Edited on, March 1, 2005, 12:01 AM GMT, by babubangla.

Good question.

Most likely you will get a reply like 'He is not a captaincy material". May be true based on how you define that.

I guess by selecting Rafique, selector will break the "unspoken golden rule" of Bangladesh cricket (actually its Bangladeshi in general) which they are not ready to do so.

What is the "unspoken golden rule" then? I also dare to say so in public...

babubangla · #8 February 28, 2005, 09:24 PM

OK..replies coming out. Great players are not always good captain,why Mcgrath is not captain bla bla bla. We all know this. Can anyone be objective enough to identify reasons. Just got only one reason so far:
1. High Temper

Any one else to add reasons to the list. If we can do the reasoning with objective views in mind...we might get a good reason why he is not captain. Great player Mcgrath and Muralitharan is not captain, that does not disqualify Rafiq to be a captain. He is a great player, why can't he be a good captain too?

Edited on, March 1, 2005, 2:25 AM GMT, by babubangla.

babubangla · #9 February 28, 2005, 09:28 PM

As i stated in the initial post, this might be the reason number two:

1. High Temper
2. Weak Language..both Bengali and English

Blah · #10 February 28, 2005, 11:37 PM

Are you serious?
You are gonna argue over why rafique is not captain, just because you like him? This is unreal.

This reason is very simple, yet obvious. He is not a captain material. That's it. No its and buts and whys.

Hell, he doesn't even captain bangla league team he plays for. You don't need to know english for that.

There has been high tempered captains.
javed miandad comes to my mind at this moment, I am sure there are more.

Captain material can mean a lot of things; anyone who raises his bat to beat a team physio is not a captain material; he may be very pasionate about the game, a great player, but he can't lead a team with that attitude.

He even had a fight with bashar (a captain himself) ones in Zim tour, which almost went physical. And he was removed from the team in that tour for his behavior.

What other reasons are looking for?
What's the point?
Aren't you happy with bashar?

Blah

jabbar · #11 March 1, 2005, 12:00 AM

Are you trying to say:

"Why is Rafiq Never Considered for Captaincy?"

or are you trying to say:

"I love Rafique and he should be captain"

Edited on, March 1, 2005, 5:01 AM GMT, by jabbar.

Rubu · #12 March 1, 2005, 01:12 AM

one big reason is ofcourse, he is unable to speak or understand english. not weak, unable. beside that, i think he had every single reason to be the captian, ahead of suman.

Hasib · #13 March 1, 2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by AgentSmith
one big reason is ofcourse, he is unable to speak or understand english. not weak, unable. beside that, i think he had every single reason to be the captian, ahead of suman.

and about his hot temper?

abu_akif · #14 March 1, 2005, 03:31 AM

Hot temper, thats the only reason..

But hey who cares whether he is captain or not? He is a great player and a great motivator for younger ones in the team..

James90 · #15 March 1, 2005, 03:56 AM

Tendulkar wasn't too bad a captain. He resigned, he'd be captain right now otherwise

Dhakablues · #16 March 1, 2005, 03:59 AM

Obvisously he is not the next captain... I think Bashar will be captain for few years because of seniority and his mild manner,,,then it will come to Masud again or Nafis/Mashrafee. Rafiq is not the leader who brings together a team,, he is very individual. His temperment, communication skills, leadership quality, motivation powers are all towards his own game... besides the team gets much by having him as 'rafique' than captain rafique.

Tasin · #17 March 1, 2005, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by babubangla
OK..replies coming out. Great players are not always good captain,why Mcgrath is not captain bla bla bla. We all know this. Can anyone be objective enough to identify reasons. Just got only one reason so far:
1. High Temper

Any one else to add reasons to the list. If we can do the reasoning with objective views in mind...we might get a good reason why he is not captain. Great player Mcgrath and Muralitharan is not captain, that does not disqualify Rafiq to be a captain. He is a great player, why can't he be a good captain too?

Edited on, March 1, 2005, 2:25 AM GMT, by babubangla.

What about:

1. Acceptability to the team members as a captain
2. Ability to lead/motivate others
3. Balancing in difficult situations
4. Strategy planning ability

bdmoderator · #18 March 1, 2005, 05:48 AM

I think main cause is 'ROGCHOTA Rafique'. He sometimes argueed with other players.
Weakness in Engilsh may be the second.

I am a fan of Rafique but I think he is good as a bowler. Captaincy may effect bad on his bowling.

babubangla · #19 March 1, 2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blah
Are you serious?
You are gonna argue over why rafique is not captain, just because you like him? This is unreal.

This reason is very simple, yet obvious. He is not a captain material. That's it. No its and buts and whys.

Hell, he doesn't even captain bangla league team he plays for. You don't need to know english for that.

There has been high tempered captains.
javed miandad comes to my mind at this moment, I am sure there are more.

Captain material can mean a lot of things; anyone who raises his bat to beat a team physio is not a captain material; he may be very pasionate about the game, a great player, but he can't lead a team with that attitude.

He even had a fight with bashar (a captain himself) ones in Zim tour, which almost went physical. And he was removed from the team in that tour for his behavior.

What other reasons are looking for?
What's the point?
Aren't you happy with bashar?

Blah

I feel similarity between Rafiq and this one.
Both are Hot Tempered!!!

opu_87 · #20 March 1, 2005, 10:21 AM

bashar should stay for long time he is good captain

babubangla · #21 March 1, 2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Dhakablues
Obvisously he is not the next captain... I think Bashar will be captain for few years because of seniority and his mild manner,,,then it will come to Masud again or Nafis/Mashrafee. Rafiq is not the leader who brings together a team,, he is very individual. His temperment, communication skills, leadership quality, motivation powers are all towards his own game... besides the team gets much by having him as 'rafique' than captain rafique.

I guess this one of the best answers to this thread.
Rafiq is very much "Individual".
This does not mean he is selfish rather we could say he is self-contained. He motivated others by great play!!
That's where Mahmud standout far away from others.
He is not great player, he has nothing to lead by example...still he is a great motiovator and great leader.

opu_87 · #22 March 1, 2005, 10:26 AM

it will be good if ashraful captain after bashar

opu_87 · #23 March 1, 2005, 10:27 AM

he will do well

Rubu · #24 March 1, 2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Hasib

Quote:

Originally posted by AgentSmith
one big reason is ofcourse, he is unable to speak or understand english. not weak, unable. beside that, i think he had every single reason to be the captian, ahead of suman.

and about his hot temper?

i'm not aware of his bad temper. talking about zim incidence, its more of bashar/m a latif's fault then anyone else. beside that, as long as i know, rafique is a soft spoken nice guy.

Fazal · #25 March 1, 2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by AgentSmith
beside that, as long as i know, rafique is a soft spoken nice guy.

Just tell him, "You are not fit enough to go to England".

And then run as fast as you can...

Edited on, March 1, 2005, 9:32 PM GMT, by Fazal.