AAA battery is dead and can't be recharged.

[al Furqaan]

8 off 37 and 2 from 8, on a flat track against mediocre bowlers...time to get rid of them forever. alok is struggling in NCL and these two will also.

whatever talent they once were, its clear they are no more. aftab's ODI average once went past 30, ashraful once averaged 40 in tests for an entire calendar year (though he scored just once per series)...clearly, talent with no application was a good innings every 10 tries. so what is zero good innings in x number of tries?

answer: no talent + no application.

i refuse to continue believing that these helpless idiots are talented. they WERE talented but obviously it was not to be.

time to move on now with the only question being who replaces those vacant spots in our lineup?

as of now, we are looking at potentially 4 huge gaps in the batting lineup...junaid is not a long term answer and will never be able to give us more than 50-70 scrappy runs. imrul has a bit more hope as he appears more solid, but he hasn't inspired much confidence in the longer version. right now, tamim, sakib, riyad, and rahim are the only guaranteed spots who look like they will retain their positions for the long term. bowling wise we have some options to look at, but the top order is more bare than nudists rear end.

Naeem, Mehrab, and possibly SN will have to be immediately drafted in. things are so dire, that even Rajin and Javed may need to be called up. Raqibul, Junaid, and Imrul just do not look like match-winners at this point. Siddons has his job cut out for him.

but at least we can look beyond the Ashraful-Aftab Era. thanks for good memories guys and have a good retirement/life after cricket.

[Gowza]

i reckon alok will get another go, maybe even in the next series as a replacement for aftab or ash if the selectors have the balls to drop either of them. don't mind seeing alok given a chance in t20s or one-dayers but needs to do more in FC cricket to get a test gig.

farhad, jahurul, marshall, shamsur, shuvagoto, nazmus etc these are the guys who need to step up. farhad and jahurul have done ok this season, so has shuvagoto but he's only just starting out. we need these guys to be trialled in the rpactice matches against England.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Gowza
i reckon alok will get another go, maybe even in the next series as a replacement for aftab or ash if the selectors have the balls to drop either of them. don't mind seeing alok given a chance in t20s or one-dayers but needs to do more in FC cricket to get a test gig.

farhad, jahurul, marshall, shamsur, shuvagoto, nazmus etc these are the guys who need to step up. farhad and jahurul have done ok this season, so has shuvagoto but he's only just starting out. we need these guys to be trialled in the rpactice matches against England.

alok is cut from the same cloth as aftab and ash...only difference is that management figured it out years before, but he was able to dupe us all with that 115 against India, before shooting his own career in the foot and joinng the ICL.

i don't know any of these domestic guys, and having not seen their batting...the only thing is these guys will be like junaid/imrul and not tamim/rahim. junaid/imrul represent the intelligent players who just lack the basic skill, whereas tamim/rahim represent those with skill, technique, and decent (tamim) to good (rahim/riyad) temperment.

now one might point to tamim's dismissal today, but at least he's scoring 50s with religious regularity. ashraful has 10x the temperement, but has zero ability to even score 10 runs consistently.

so i'm not hopeful of any more large scale improvement unless we can find 7 batsmen who can at least score some runs consistently and 4 bowlers who can bowl well for more than just a spell here or there. the bowlers i'm not so worried about.

[Nadim]

I will bet my life Alok wont get a call to play test for next series....he is a failure even in NCL

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
alok is cut from the same cloth as aftab and ash...only difference is that management figured it out years before, but he was able to dupe us all with that 115 against India, before shooting his own career in the foot and joinng the ICL.

i don't know any of these domestic guys, and having not seen their batting...the only thing is these guys will be like junaid/imrul and not tamim/rahim. junaid/imrul represent the intelligent players who just lack the basic skill, whereas tamim/rahim represent those with skill, technique, and decent (tamim) to good (rahim/riyad) temperment.

now one might point to tamim's dismissal today, but at least he's scoring 50s with religious regularity. ashraful has 10x the temperement, but has zero ability to even score 10 runs consistently.

so i'm not hopeful of any more large scale improvement unless we can find 7 batsmen who can at least score some runs consistently and 4 bowlers who can bowl well for more than just a spell here or there. the bowlers i'm not so worried about.

i haven't seen these domestics either, i have been told that shuvagoto has good technique, temperament, attitude etc but it's really too early to bring him into the team now. the other guys like farhad, jahurul, marshall, shamsur and nazmus have been around for awhile and been somewhat consistent but not as consistent as we need them to be.

there is faisal hossain but his technique is supposedly really poor, jahurul started one of the NCL FC seasons well a couple of years ago and when i asked questions i was told he's nowhere near ready for international cricket so i wonder how much he's improved since then. siddons said shamsur has technical issues to workout before becoming an international cricketer (at least that's what i read somewhere on these forums). nazmus was considered a huge talent at one stage and his hitting was compared to the likes of triple A and he's reasonably consistent in list A's, not as consistent in FC cricket but i've not really seen him play properly. marhsall and farhad have been considered good prospects for a couple of seasons, marshall has actually lsot some consistency, farhad has picked it up this season.

would be great to hear what eshen and sohel think.

[Naimul_Hd]

why cant u ppl understand....there is no replacement of Ashrafoool in this whole fracking world !!! so as long as Ash wants to play, he will play ! period ! :@

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by nadim 98
I will bet my life Alok wont get a call to play test for next series....he is a failure even in NCL

yeah well you know these selectors, SN and aftab were picked for the test team without having played any FC cricket for over a year and had only played a small amount of one-day cricket.

[yaseer]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Naeem, Mehrab, and possibly SN will have to be immediately drafted in. things are so dire, that even Rajin and Javed may need to be called up. Raqibul, Junaid, and Imrul just do not look like match-winners at this point. Siddons has his job cut out for him.

but at least we can look beyond the Ashraful-Aftab Era. thanks for good memories guys and have a good retirement/life after cricket.

Mehrab is not able to get into the first XI of Dhaka division. SN can be a desperate solution.

Yes, Ashraful is loosing it. Don't remember the last time he scored a 50 in Test.

Faisal Hossain can be the answer. He is scoring consistently for last two seasons. But I wanted to test his technique in "A" team before being drafted in. But it is also becoming desperate.

Nayeem is there as well and he is certainly going to take the Aftab's spot against England.

[Gowza]

1 tamim
2 imrul?
3 junaid?
4 riyiad/mushy
5 riyad/mushy
6 naeem
7 shakib
8 shuvo/saqlain/another bowler or perhaps a specialist keeper
9 shahadat/mash/subashis/sajidul
10 shafiul
11 rubel

probably the safest wya to change the team, we've seen naeem at the international level and he has decent ODI experience and a good FC record so much better to bring him in than say faisal or farhad or jahurul. if we want we can give imrul and junaid another series at the #2/#3 slots otherwise we do need to bring in some newbies.

[yaseer]

Originally Posted by Gowza
1 tamim
2 imrul?
3 junaid?
4 riyiad/mushy
5 riyad/mushy
6 naeem
7 shakib
8 shuvo/saqlain/another bowler or perhaps a specialist keeper (if another batsman, then here is the place for Faisal Hossain)
9 shahadat/mash/subashis/sajidul or another spinner?
10 shafiul
11 rubel

probably the safest wya to change the team, we've seen naeem at the international level and he has decent ODI experience and a good FC record so much better to bring him in than say faisal or farhad or jahurul. if we want we can give imrul and junaid another series at the #2/#3 slots otherwise we do need to bring in some newbies.

Agree mate with some addition. Spin attack is the way to go against England.

[MohammedC]

No more ICLer please...

We have enough problem as it is. No need to bring in 20 over specialists.

[fwullah]

Naeem Islam will play Test cricket in the next couple of series, that's a certainty. Raquibul Hasan may get in the final XI for a match or two here and there.

Other than that, I don't see any more changes coming up for the test series; unless selectors are doing a major re-shuffling and draft in Rony Talukdar or Ilias Sunny for the World Cup 2011 coming up.

[reyme]

Agree with thgread opener and most of you.
My question is how come AAA got selected to begin with?
How come after series of failures, these off formers were still sent at 3 and 4?
When the whole world says we needed Riyad and Mushfiq up the order, we continue to send them at 7 & 8?
I see we have 2 AA that cant be charged, but we also have management whose brain cant be charged. When brain stops working, you cant do much with rest of the organs.

[reyme]

And if you tell me there is nobody to replace these AA, then I will tell shame on you management for not being able to find replacement for them for all this time. Like someone said, we might as well just stop playing, because we dont have enough players.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by reyme
And if you tell me there is nobody to replace these AA, then I will tell shame on you management for not being able to replace them for all this time. Like someone said, we might as well just stop playing, because we dont have enough players.

there are replacements, of course we don't know how well they can perform until we give them ago and at this point we have nothing to lose so, selectors.....

[BD-Shardul]

Max life cycles for each was 50 cycles.

And we are using them beyond 150 cycles.

[cricket_king]

Agreed 100%.

[fais]

we rlly need to bring in faisal hossain and see wat he offers because Ash and Aftab offer nothing

[_Rafi_]

For England series drop Ash, Aftab and Zunae and bring Nayeem, Rajin and Farhad/Faisal or other right handed batsmen doing well in domestic level. Right handed batsmen because Swann is a killer of Lefthanders. Even we can think Habibul in the one down instead of Z. He wl tackle Broad and co's short pitch deliveries better.
If chances was given to Rajin as Ash got he would do much better than Ash. Afterall he was very hard working player.
My lineup-
1.Tamim 2.IK 3.Habib/Mushy 4.Mushy/Rajin 5.Shakib
6.Riad 7.Farhad 8.Nayeem
9.Shuvo 10.Shadat/Shafiul 11.Rubel
*Mash should not play test at the moment. He needs to stay free from injury before WC.
*If Habibul play he should play at no.3 following him by Mushy at no4 and no Rajin
*If he doesnt play then Mushy at no3 following him by Rajin at 4

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[bangla-red]

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Big Z
4. Naeem
5. Aftab/SN
6. Shakib
7. Mushy
8. Riyad
9. Robin/Mash
10. Shafiul
11. Rubel

[SMHasan]

I am really worried to see that despite being young- Ashraful and Aftab are not learning anything. They are not taking anything rather giving away few good habits those they possessed.

When you are under 25/26 you can learn quickly enough and adapt. But these two are not changing themselves at all. I mentioned Ash's problems before and I am doing it here again- he doesn't know how to approach his innings, he admitted it few times before. He said that he doesn't know when to attack and when to defend. And as for Aftab- I am not writing him off right now, but he needs to go back to his basics.

Worry is that these two are giving us headache when the WC is knocking at the door.

[mishu]

keeping Ash puts too much presure on lower end,,caz he is the most nervous player...we need a player who NEED to find solid 3rd and 4th place player,,,thats where the problem lies,,,,

[roaring tigerz]

Bring in some guys who have some form and confidence. A couple of domestic performers who have scored consistently in domestic cricket over a long period. Dickens is one such guys whose name comes to mind readily. He has been tried and dumped but it's high time he got a decent run in the team. Farhad has made a string of centuries this season. He is definitely worth having a look at.

For the immediate future, its painfully clear that Ashraful needs to go. He has been given more chances than anyone in the history of international cricket. BCB has gone overboard to salvage Ashraful's career but he has failed miserably by all counts. All of us are also starting to realize that he just does not have the mental fortitude to succeed as an international cricketer. Lets move on.

[ssaadi123]

Why should ashraful not be dropped???? Does this guy have no shame?

[BagherBacha]

i don’t want to see Imrul and Zunaed in the same team batting in number 2 and 3 in any form of cricket. Having both of them in the same team seems like Aftab & ash combination.

Zunaed is no way number 3 batsman. We can use one of them opening with Tamim, that’s it. I am not sure who should bat at number 3. Mushy and Riad are not the answer for number 3. They won’t be good with the new ball. However, they should bat at number 5 & 6 in ODI, 4 & 5 in tests respectively

Naeem should bat at number 7 for both ODI and tests. Ash should be replaced with a bowler (shuvo/saqlain). I would go with shuvo for both tests and ODI, and bat at number 9 in odi and 8 in tests provided mash won’t play test anytime soon.

ODI team Against eng should be like this.
1. Tamim
2. Imrul/Zunaed
3.Aftab ( I want to give him chance for England ODI, lets see how does he do
4.Shakib
5.Mushy
6. Riad
7.Naeem
8. mash
9. Shuvo
10.Razzak
11.Shafiul/Nazmul

Test team against England

1.Tamim
2. Imrul/Zunaed
3.help me here please
4.Mushy
5.Riad
6.Shakib
7.Naeem
8.Shuvo
9.Shahadat/another Spinner may be
10.Shafiul
11. Rubel