Who Says This Isn't the Full Strength WI Team?

al Furqaan · #1 December 8, 2012, 12:07 PM

Forget the fact that Shakib was out of lineup and that one of our best seamers was injured (Nazmul), but why does a WI team that has Gayle, Narine, Bravo Jr think they're not at full strength?

Ramdin? He's got an ODI average less than the great Sir Ashraful's. Johnson who? How is a player no one has ever heard of, with a teenage average to boot a member of a "full strength" anything.

Bravo Sr is about the only legitimate pick, but even then, when was the last time he played for the WI? How many matches has he won? He's got a batting average of just 24, a bowling average above 30, and isn't express enough to trouble us like a Roach or Best.

Sovik · #2 December 8, 2012, 12:11 PM

It's their full strength team. I don't think anyone would deny that

One World · #3 December 8, 2012, 12:16 PM

It was full strength WIndies without any doubt.

Habib · #4 December 8, 2012, 12:18 PM

It was their full strength team and we are better ODI team than them at home.

crikss · #5 December 8, 2012, 12:27 PM

where you read this wasn't WI full strength team ?

Habib · #6 December 8, 2012, 12:38 PM

In fact, we were without Shakib the whole series! Mash couldn't play today! Had 4 frikkin debutants on the top of that! Our head coach was just a temporary one! It's us who weren't at full strength, not WI.

Dilscoop · #7 December 8, 2012, 12:39 PM

We played without Mash today. We also basically played w/o Tamim through out the whole series.

Tiger Manc · #8 December 8, 2012, 12:49 PM

In the first 2 ODIs we played with 4 debutants and a player coming back after a long time out ( Naeem Islam). So basically half our team were newbies from the Asia Cup team and still we thrashed the Windies.

The claims that Windies were not full strength because they missed Ramdin and Johnson are laughable. As far as I'm aware in the case of Ramdin he wasn't selected. Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

Dilscoop · #9 December 8, 2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

Bull. DJB isn't even half the player that Shakib is.

zman · #10 December 8, 2012, 12:57 PM

Ans- only someone who doesn't really understand cricket

kalpurush · #11 December 8, 2012, 01:00 PM

Got the series - what matters! ):

shakibrulz · #12 December 8, 2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Bull. DJB isn't even half the player that Shakib is.

Yep, consistency-wise anyway. He might play the odd epic knock, but that's it. As for the Bowling, no comparison, I don't want to insult Shak here.

Anyhow winning without Shak, Mash and 3 debutants, massive.

Kohli_Sox · #13 December 8, 2012, 01:04 PM

It's definitely a full strength W.I. side; people who are denying this just want to find excuse and nothing else

mij · #14 December 8, 2012, 01:08 PM

only bangladesh hater will say that

WindieFan · #15 December 8, 2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Forget the fact that Shakib was out of lineup and that one of our best seamers was injured (Nazmul), but why does a WI team that has Gayle, Narine, Bravo Jr think they're not at full strength?

Ramdin? He's got an ODI average less than the great Sir Ashraful's. Johnson who? How is a player no one has ever heard of, with a teenage average to boot a member of a "full strength" anything.

Bravo Sr is about the only legitimate pick, but even then, when was the last time he played for the WI? How many matches has he won? He's got a batting average of just 24, a bowling average above 30, and isn't express enough to trouble us like a Roach or Best.

You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!!

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One World · #16 December 8, 2012, 01:24 PM

Actually this was third string Bangladesh team, with four debutants, Tamim out of form and Shakib totally out of series. Happy?

WindieFan · #17 December 8, 2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
In the first 2 ODIs we played with 4 debutants and a player coming back after a long time out ( Naeem Islam). So basically half our team were newbies from the Asia Cup team and still we thrashed the Windies.

The claims that Windies were not full strength because they missed Ramdin and Johnson are laughable. As far as I'm aware in the case of Ramdin he wasn't selected. Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

Not true, with all due respect they rested him because we wasn't playing one of the big sides and they wanted to give Thomas more experience.

Roey Haque · #18 December 8, 2012, 01:27 PM

Good post Furqaan. I bet this Windies team will give many other sides problems. Dwayne was the only piece they were missing. Sammy is one bad mother. His coolness alone gives you the skeevies.

MyRoom · #19 December 8, 2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WindieFan
Not true, with all due respect they rested him because we wasn't playing one of the big sides and they wanted to give Thomas more experience.

Well that backfired! taught your team a lesson to NEVER underestimate us again

zman · #20 December 8, 2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WindieFan
You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!!

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BD played without their best batsman (Shakib), best spinner (Shakib), best pace bowler (Nazmul), player with the best momentum atm (Abul who scored the record breaking century), 2nd best pace bowler (Mashrafi) in the last match-- the list goes on and on. They also debuted four players vs WI's two. If Shakib plays, I guarantee you WI doesn't win a single match in this series.

Speaking of ODI series, most recently we also beat teams like India and Srilanka to reach the finals of the Asia cup, and lost to Pakistan only by 2 runs in the finals. Go back couple years, and we also beat NZ 4-0. Fact is both teams fielded their best available eleven, and Bangladesh is a pretty solid ODI team at home (Can't say the same about tests). So there's no shame in losing to a good home side in a closely contested series.

NoName · #21 December 8, 2012, 06:28 PM

This was one of the most inexperienced sides we have fielded, WI's team was more full strength than ours.

al Furqaan · #22 December 8, 2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WindieFan
You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!!

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So Suhrawardy and Shahriar played in our 4-0 of NZ and they are still fairly mediocre cricketers.

Charles and Ramdin don't even average 20 with the bat, Bravo doesn't even average 25. We have scrubs like Rajin Saleh who average more than they do. Sure they could have made a difference. But there is also the chance a fellow like Ashraful could have destroyed before we even got to 2-2 had he played. And his Crapness also averages more than Charles and Ramdin.

A guy like Imrul Kayes who can't even hold a bat averages 5 more than Bravo!

Rifat · #23 December 8, 2012, 06:45 PM

Windies no doubt had almost a full strength team. Their selectors made some errors(lol) by not selecting inform Chaunderpaul and in-form Tino Best.

other than that, Full credit to Bangladesh for beating any West Indian side. we often under-credit the tigers for that overseas series win in 2009 in West Indies. Reality is, it is not always easy winning overseas, considering Bangladesh is the type of side that often loses to county clubs in England(has happened before) and Indian Domestic teams. (just a reality check to people...)

Rifat · #24 December 8, 2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
So Suhrawardy and Shahriar played in our 4-0 of NZ and they are still fairly mediocre cricketers.

Charles and Ramdin don't even average 20 with the bat, Bravo doesn't even average 25. We have scrubs like Rajin Saleh who average more than they do. Sure they could have made a difference. But there is also the chance a fellow like Ashraful could have destroyed before we even got to 2-2 had he played. And his Crapness also averages more than Charles and Ramdin.

A guy like Imrul Kayes who can't even hold a bat averages 5 more than Bravo!

true that. but let's not forget, both SunnahMan and Nafees had a fantabulous series against NZ in 2010. They may be mediocre players now, but they were totally in-form then.

al Furqaan · #25 December 8, 2012, 07:01 PM

LOL...just looked up the tour stats for NZ in WI...

Windies won that series IN SPITE of the crapfest from Bravo Sr, Charles, and Ramdin...no wonder they didn't get picked. Even the worthless DR Smith took a giant dump on their performances.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...=4;type=series

If we had "full strength" WI...we could have swept them 5-0!!!